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kuresu Member (Idle past 2539 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
totally off-topic, but the right thread seems to be ineffective.
can you chat for a short while right now? Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
No...its that people don't acknowledge her.....(and I still don't know why you say "she" since Jesus is male) Jesus of course was male, but in some languages the Holy Spirit is female. And in Old English (Anglo-Saxon) God and the devil are both neuter. In Hebrew, as in French, everything has to be masculine or feminine by gramatical gender. Neuter is not an option.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Is that correct? Have you thought that through? Do you understand the implications of that? Here it is took me 6 years to answer you! I agree with your assessment that God does not pick and choose among people...but He allows for us to freely and logically find our path. For some, it may not include belief. In this instance, I agree with you that we are judged in part by what we do versus what we believe, but I would add that what we believe may influence what we do and how we do it.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How can there be any justification for judging anyone on what they believe?
I agree that what we believe influences what we do, and I believe that is one of the worst things about Christianity as marketed in the US. The "Saved" and "Forgiven" and "Christ died to pay for my sins" marketing spiels are vile and evil.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: If God is all-powerful, how can the Tempter, the Prosecuter, etc. not be a part of Him? Because that would make God Schizophrenic.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And? ringo writes:
Because that would make God Schizophrenic. If God is all-powerful, how can the Tempter, the Prosecuter, etc. not be a part of Him? What you're saying is the equivalent of, "Jeffrey Dahmer could not have eaten his victims because that would make him a cannibal."
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Because that would make God Schizophrenic. Ahem:
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The dogma that I ascribe to shows the tempter, satan, as a created being. There is only One Creator. Granted you can argue that He plays all of the roles, but it makes more sense for Him to be good, rather than complete. Jeffrey Dahmer is a human with a mental disorder, not a Creator of all seen and unseen.
I suppose you could argue that God is like Seth MacFarlane and plays multiple roles---but that makes no sense to me.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But what does the Bible say?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat, you could argue whatever the hell you like, but it's just waffling about nonsense - you know, the 'how many angels can fit on a pinhead' stuff. Why is what you are saying any different?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I was refering to your logic. You said that being complete would make God schizophrenic. I say if He is He is. Granted you can argue that He plays all of the roles, but it makes more sense for Him to be good, rather than complete. You seem to be squeamish about the reality of your God. He "must" be good; He "can't" be evil or have anything to do with evil. Yet He's supposedly the Creator of "all seen and unseen". By your math, evil isn't part of "all seen and unseen". Huh?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Phat writes: Because that would make God Schizophrenic. Just a technical note: schizophrenia is unrelated to "split personality" or multiple personality/dissociative disorders. The term describes a person whose brain precludes a coherent, functional mind and personality. The fracture--the "schizo"--applies to the individual schizophrenic's loss of coherent apprehension and thought: a broken mind, not a mind divided into multiple sub-minds. Wiki:
quote: Misdiagnosing your gods could be...bad. In addition, as I recall from Job's lament and the endorsement of the Whirlwind, Yahweh cares little about making sense to people. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You seem to be mixing up what it is that a Creator creates versus what a Creator is. An artist can paint a picture of many zoo animals but that does not make the artist a zebra.
God may well have created evil(more likely the possibility of evil) but that does not make God defacto evil. Get my point?
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Jon Inactive Member |
This is the Faith and Belief forum.
If you find discussions like this to be "just waffling about nonsense", then perhaps you've found yourself in the wrong place.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
God may well have created evil(more likely the possibility of evil) but that does not make God defacto evil. Get my point? Imagine an architect who designs a building to fall down (or more likely having the possibility of falling down). Is this architect evil? He knows his building will either certainly fall or that it is very likely it will; many people will die; he does not care and has the building build anyway. Isn't he evil?Love your enemies!
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