Keep in mind that those of us who know God (or believe that we do) God is an objective "still small voice" that we see as external (and thus objective) wisdom whereas for the other folks, it appears as if we are subjectively rationalizing our responses and beliefs.
But it's arrogant for them to assume this, from ignorance of that belief. Anyone who is genuinely born-again knows that the knowledge of God is given to us in a sequence of events that are far beyond any doubt. This is how God has chosen to do it, because He won't do it the
puney gods way. (men). Men would only validate Him scientifically, in their arrogance and their weak attempts to refute God this way, are shot full of holes. Objectivity does not equate to a lack of ignorance. Objective prayer-experiments are an example of astonishing ignorance of what the bible says. Since the scientists have no way to understand what the bible means, and since they don't study each religion before the experiments, their ignorance is logically GUARANTEED. (I know this, from my studies, Phat, it's true they won't consider any basic theology such as reverence for God or His unwillingness to be put to the test, or his sovereignty, they don't even know those scriptures and theologies exist!!!!).
thus Stile uses logic the only way he knows how
People that don't study subjects like logic, the only way they know how is
fallaciously. I speak from experience, because I also reasoned fallaciously when I was an ignoramus.
IF God exists and exists the way that you and I believe, Stile will be just fine.
Statements like this don't help us, Phat, by bowing to the evolutionists on the forum by saying, "if" God exists. Phat this won't make them like you or accept you. You don't have to pretend the matter is, "if". Those who are born again are given the knowledge of the truth, to say "if", or to say, "I believe God exists" to an evolutionist, is to effectively be a false witness, and lie, or mislead them.
No, it is not a subjective, relative experience. When God exists, the external proves the internal decision. We do know God exists, and nothing they say changes this, they can write a thousand posts, that will not change the truth, the life of God is true, God is true.
We know it, but we can't prove it. Don't conflate the two.
As for Stile, I'm sure he's polite and all the rest, it's none of my business to judge him. I would never argue that it is impossible to do good things an be generally good as a none-Christian, I know there are well-meaning but ignorant people in existence, phat, you shouldn't feel the need to school me, although I am younger than you, there is a lot I have studied and I have the ability to figure out many things.
For example when you said, God is objective, or we believe it, I think you might have been referring to a JTB (justifed, true belief). Epistemologically, there is a problem with this called the "Gettier problem".
A variation would be my example of knowing the time. You look at your watch and it says 4pm, you look at the clock and it says 4pm, you look at yet another clock five minutes later and it says 4.05pm.
Now let us pretend that the first clock had stopped at 4pm, the second clock had stopped at 4pm and the third clock had stopped at 4.05pm, and the actual true time, was never 4pm, and never five past 4pm, but actually was 1pm.
You would have a
justified true belief that it had been 4pm, and that five minutes later it was five past 4pm.
Christians do have this type of JTB in one sense, but only in regards to our
senses and natural experiences.
But there is
much more to it that the matters of
evidence, proof and knowledge. There are also matters of supernatural input. After all, when we read the scriptures and it says things are known by the spirit of God, such terminology can only be understood by those who are spiritually born. You can only even know what that means, only by experiencing the spiritual according to an exclusive definition of "spiritual" as defined biblically and originally, not the vague modern definition of such words. So we can't squeeze God into our limited human-reason, phat. Also the evidence of His handiwork is beyond dispute, the
evolutions are refuted, when all lumped together.
Of course, what are the chances of the clock-scenario? From my own experiences I would have to say that I have been misled to the point of perhaps observing hundreds of clocks all saying 4pm. Which is just not going to happen, and not only does this happen to me, but it all happens in steps and sequences that also must only happen according to a developing plan. Therefore I would have to see a clock that stopped at 4pm, then 17 minutes later see a clock that had stopped at 4.17pm, then precisely one hour later, see a stopped clock that said 5.17pm.
If you have any experience of God, you will agree this is how accurate He is. To say this is chance, is simply a nonsense, only an air-head would believe that, if they had experiences such things.
There comes a point in the Christian life, that you almost laugh, because you have had so many accurate encounters with God that if that was the only way of measuring whether He is there, you would have to conclude that if He wasn't there, then the universe was deliberately tricking you into thinking He was. But there is no rational reason to believe that, just as there is no rational reason to believe that a super-streak of victories in a casino is coincidental.
Imagine if the casino owner walked up to someone that had would twelve times in a row, highly improbable odds, and the casino owner said to him, "I'm calling the police."
Imagine if the winner were to say to him, "no, don't call the police, you are indulging in confirmation-bias, you see, before I won twelve in a row, I actually lost eight in a row, and if you check your CCTV, you will see that I lost eight in a row."
But this doesn't mean I discount your sayings phat, I know you mean well and you also are a very polite and good person, but sometimes I think you HELP the evolutionists by adopting their sayings because you believe you can't refute them when they say, "if" God exists, because of their arguments.
Instead you need to come to people like me, and we will refute what they say for you, and then you won't feel the need to have to be peer-pressured into accepting their errors.