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Coyote
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Message 501 of 740 (734642)
07-31-2014 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by Faith
07-31-2014 9:43 PM


Re: whatever
I have allowed myself to hope that maybe somebody here, just one person, one of the posters or a lurker, doesn't matter, would just recognize the truth in what I'm saying, just "get it" but that isn't going to happen is it?
No, it isn't going to happen. You are preaching belief without evidence. How can you convince anyone doing that?
To make matters worse, all of your preaching is being refuted using that evidence you neither understand nor accept.
You are doing exactly what St. Augustine warned against:
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.
Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.
If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.
You are the poster-child for St. Augustine's writing. And you expect to convince anyone?????

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 545 of 740 (734824)
08-02-2014 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 541 by edge
08-02-2014 1:13 PM


Re: cross section shows all layers were in place except top one
So you send samples for radiometric testing?
I have done it several times in my career to answer specific questions. I have also done research into existing radiometric data to help straighten out a complex rock sequence.
I have submitted about 650 samples for radiocarbon dating in my career, but I now have on good authority that the radiocarbon method is based on assumptions, so I guess all my data is worthless.
Your's probably is also.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 566 of 740 (734852)
08-02-2014 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 564 by Percy
08-02-2014 6:30 PM


Re: igneous layers
In scientific fields we invent terms to describe the objects and processes we observe. You seem to be defining the geologic column in a way that doesn't accurately describe anything in the real world.
Faith is defining the geologic column in a way that is consistent with biblical beliefs (or her interpretation of them).
She can't use the standard definition as that leads to contradictions between the evidence and her beliefs. So, she magics away anything she doesn't like and then all is well.
Wish I could do that with bills and taxes and such. Too bad that technique doesn't work in the real world.
Edited by Coyote, : typpo

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 598 of 740 (734908)
08-03-2014 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 597 by Faith
08-03-2014 12:24 PM


Re: other evidence the strata were all in place before the faulting
Communicating with you is just talking to an idiot who can't read.
It is not that we can't read, it is that we read--and understand--all too well.
You are just upset because we won't accept your unevidenced beliefs, and we keep posting evidence to show that your beliefs are wrong.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Posts: 6117
Joined: 01-12-2008


Message 731 of 740 (735270)
08-08-2014 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by edge
08-08-2014 8:33 PM


Re: Discussion Can Continue
Still no supporting evidence.
Evidence to creationists is like garlic to vampires: to be avoided at all costs as it almost always contradicts their beliefs.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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