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Author Topic:   All the Gods. What man has created let no man credit to unworthy Gods.
Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 20 (735207)
08-07-2014 9:31 AM


All the Gods. What man has created let no man credit to unworthy Gods.
Strange that your God hates everyone you do. This shows how your God was man made. No real self-respecting God would have man’s prejudices.
Most of the Abrahamic religions of today are immoral and unjustified in their stances of vicarious redemption and their discrimination and denigration of women and gays.
This is irrefutable.
Christians justify discriminate and denigrate women and gays by saying that it is God’s will. He will rule over you.
I think we should stop blaming imaginary Gods and step up to our own collective human guilt and shame, instead of passing on the blame to imaginary manmade Gods. It seems that we men want to discriminate and denigrate gays for our own male egos.
Do you agree that it is men and not Gods who are discriminating against our own women and gays even as we lay the blame on God?
Regards
DL

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Message 3 of 20 (735210)
08-07-2014 10:10 AM
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08-07-2014 9:31 AM


Gods that are created in humanity's image display the same weaknesses of character that humanity does. Hardly a surprise.

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Message 4 of 20 (735211)
08-07-2014 10:31 AM
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Gods that are created in humanity's image display the same weaknesses of character that humanity does. Hardly a surprise.
Agree with subbie. If you look at the Greek pantheon of gods, it is one of the best windows into the nature of the human character. They were deceitful, power-hungry, vindictive, pious and self-righteous. A perfect foil and representation of what humans are like. And exactly what one would expect. They were created in our image, not the other way around.

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Message 5 of 20 (735212)
08-07-2014 11:16 AM


Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
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Message 6 of 20 (735213)
08-07-2014 11:18 AM
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08-07-2014 10:10 AM


True.
We have no other template to compare and that is why our Gods hate everyone we hate.
Regards
DL

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Message 7 of 20 (735214)
08-07-2014 11:22 AM
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08-07-2014 10:31 AM


Yet what they knew to be true, that all Gods were mythical, Christianity forgot when they stupidly began to read scriptures and myths literally.
Constantine wanted to be the next Man/God real bad and likely why he forced the Trinity concept down his churches throat.
Regards
DL

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08-07-2014 11:23 AM
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Coyote
A good quote. Thanks.
Regards
DL

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Message 9 of 20 (735218)
08-07-2014 12:01 PM
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08-07-2014 9:31 AM


Greatest I am writes:
Do you agree that it is men and not Gods who are discriminating against our own women and gays even as we lay the blame on God?
There are two separate issues there:
(If there are any gods)
  1. Do the gods want us discriminate against gays and women?
  2. Should we pay any attention to what they want?
We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the gods do.

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Message 10 of 20 (735220)
08-07-2014 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
08-07-2014 9:31 AM


Do you agree that it is men and not Gods who are discriminating against our own women and gays even as we lay the blame on God?
There are a number of exceptions to the general rule. While Jesus did not oppose every evil of his day, he certainly does not seem to be the God the Jews would have chosen. And his description is of a matter who was far better man than most, if not all of us.
I think we could make similar claims for Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha).
think we should stop blaming imaginary Gods and step up to our own collective human guilt and shame
Stop blaming gods, imaginary or otherwise. Of course. But as for collective human guilt? No, I am not response for your screw ups. I have enough to handle bearing responsibility for what I've caused.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 11 of 20 (735238)
08-07-2014 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Greatest I am
08-07-2014 11:22 AM


Constantine wanted to be the next Man/God real bad and likely why he forced the Trinity concept down his churches throat.
Explain the logic behind your statement. Constantine pushes a doctrine that there is only a single God, Yahweh. What does that leave for Constantine?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 12 of 20 (735275)
08-09-2014 4:18 PM
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08-07-2014 12:01 PM


Ringo
I agree that our standard should be higher than the Gods on offer. Secular law has already set a higher bar. Thank all the mythical Gods for that.
Strange that some in religion do not recognize better morals than what their Gods dish out.
Regards
DL

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Message 13 of 20 (735277)
08-09-2014 4:50 PM
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08-07-2014 12:33 PM


NoNukes
We are all responsible to each other. We all contribute to the status quo.
You believe what you do due and are what you are due to those who reared you and what you learned on your own later. We are all responsible for what becomes of those we help rear and that includes
the peer pressure we exert upon each other.
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 14 of 20 (735278)
08-09-2014 4:55 PM
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08-07-2014 5:56 PM


NoNukes
Constantine, by putting the Trinity into Christianity, allowed a path for him to take to, as other emperors before him, to declare himself to be a God.
His Victory Arch position shows this clearly I think. I can think of no other reason for his manipulation of the vote.
http://www.simchajtv.com/...hristianity-selling-christianity
Regards
DL
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Message 15 of 20 (735279)
08-09-2014 5:05 PM
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08-09-2014 4:55 PM


Constantine, by putting the Trinity into Christianity, allowed a path for him to take to, as other emperors before him, to declare himself to be a God.
I asked you how such a path was provided and your answer is just to repeat your assertion.
Explain, in your own words, how the Trinity Doctrine provided an opening for Constantine to do what other emperors had done presumably without taking such a step.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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