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hooah212002
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Message 445 of 479 (735027)
08-04-2014 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by New Cat's Eye
08-04-2014 4:41 PM


Re: Atheists lose, cross stays
Or, god forbid, there are multiple lines of discussion going on (and by god, I do mean in a purely secular sense) but you want the discussion to be focused the way you want it to be because you are combative.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 446 of 479 (735028)
08-04-2014 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by New Cat's Eye
08-04-2014 3:43 PM


Re: Atheists lose, cross stays
But the purpose for displaying it is a secular one: to recount the history of what went down during that time.
"People prayed to, and found SPIRITUAL sanctity in, this hunk of metal in the shape normally recognizable as a Christian one" sure seems like a secular thing to me. Like I said: I regularly pray to secular thing.
Yes, the fact that it is now used as the lone rememberance of 9/11 is in itself secular. But it doesn't "just so happen" to be a cross. It is there and was used because it is a cross and it being a cross, it was used for spiritual and religious reasons. Reasons that only resonate with people that identify with a cross as having meaning. And guess who those people are? Christians. Find me non-Christians that identify with this cross and hold it as significant. Not people that have reason to be bias.
But nobody has provided any evidence for that at all. And in fact, we can read from the people behind the memorial:
They have known of the controversy from the very beginning, so any language they have used has been twisted to make it sound like their purpose is secular.
And from Mayor Bloomberg, the Chairman of the Board:
The only mayor that would admit to it being religious is someone like Rick Perry or some Texan. Bloomberg isn't a moron and he knew, just like everyone else, that there would be controversy so he made damn sure to make any statements he made reflect that.
As you can see
No, that's what you see. I see mangled language.
Case closed.
Is it really? No appeals? One court decision is all it takes to end discussion about a topic?
Oh, when it suits you it does.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 456 of 479 (735109)
08-05-2014 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 455 by Tangle
08-05-2014 5:05 PM


Re: Atheists lose, cross stays
nvm
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 466 of 479 (735186)
08-06-2014 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 462 by New Cat's Eye
08-06-2014 10:25 AM


Re: Atheists lose, cross stays
Intellectually, you knew it’s just two pieces of steel, but you saw the impact it had on so many people, and you also knew it was more than steel,
Yes, he recognizes that it has significance to other people. Even I recognize that. What was your point in using this example (that you didn't even properly cite)?
Father Brian says: We had Jews, Muslims, Buddhists. People who believed or didn’t believe
Close. But not quite. That quote could mean that there happened to be "Jews, Muslims, Buddhists. People who believed or didn’t believe" at the site helping out.
Neither of those two examples show non-Christians finding this cross to be personally significant.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 468 of 479 (735189)
08-06-2014 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by New Cat's Eye
08-06-2014 7:28 PM


Re: Atheists lose, cross stays
It was an example of a non-Christian that identified with the cross and held it as significant.
But it wasn't an example of that and I stated why that was the case. He simply recognized that other people held it as significant.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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