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Jaderis
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Message 61 of 740 (733830)
07-22-2014 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
07-22-2014 4:16 AM


Re: observed net erosion deposition must occur somewhere
*whoooooosh*
I didn't inform you of the "correct opinion." I just pointed out that you will not or can not appreciate that many more people know way more than you, or I, do and that, until you do, these are arguments in the wind.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Faith 
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Message 62 of 740 (733831)
07-22-2014 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Jaderis
07-22-2014 5:01 AM


Re: observed net erosion deposition must occur somewhere
But that clearly IS the Correct Opinion, which you believe I have failed to appreciate, and what can I do but thank you for informing me of it?

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Jaderis
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Message 63 of 740 (733833)
07-22-2014 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
07-22-2014 5:07 AM


Re: observed net erosion deposition must occur somewhere
Random Capitalization of Words does not make your Response any less Evasive.
try Again.
Correct "opinions" have no place here. Interpretations which explain all of the evidence, not just your layman's understanding of a few "complete" columns, have a better place here. Your place is to explain all of it. Not just the GC/GS portion. Not just one other place that some guy you read on the internet said was weird.
All of it.
That is where understanding other people who study this for a living comes in. Even if their ideas about age are wrong, to you, they should know whether or not a "strata" is composed of a specific type of mineral or not. You do not. You have not studied any of it. You have examined diagrams and digested definitions, but not understood most of it, pretending you have, because superficially you can make an argument and most people here will engage you, but if someone calls you on specifics, all I hear are crickets or variations of "this is what I have understood and that is sacrosanct..no new knowledge can change the fact that what I built my opinion on was an ultimate truth."

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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JonF
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Message 64 of 740 (733835)
07-22-2014 8:36 AM
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07-22-2014 6:18 AM


Re: observed net erosion deposition must occur somewhere
As far as I can see she hasn't digested any definitions. She makes 'em up. E.g. geologic column.

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Percy
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Message 65 of 740 (733837)
07-22-2014 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
07-22-2014 5:00 AM


Faith writes:
That's because it ISN'T the Geologic Column as I have understood it and tried to define it here.
I think you may have missed a few helpful messages.
I've posted a couple messages that describe how sediments are accumulating right now atop layers that you accept are geologic columns: Message 15, Message 45
And Capt Stormfield has very helpfully analogized geology with history in Message 18, describing how coherent stories for both history and geology emerge from a jumble of of widely dispersed data.
--Percy

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edge
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Message 66 of 740 (733840)
07-22-2014 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
07-22-2014 5:00 AM


That's because it ISN'T the Geologic Column as I have understood it and tried to define it here.
But it is A 'geological column'; admittedly a very different one, but still useful.
And I'm not sure why you should be the one defining terms here.

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jar
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Message 67 of 740 (733848)
07-22-2014 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
07-21-2014 11:44 PM


same old bullshit from Faith
When you REALLY know how to listen you'll hear the story of a great catastrophe by water.
We are still listening for you to present the model, method, process that your imagined flood catastrophe could produce what is seen.
It's been over a decade now and you have never presented such a critter.
Ah, do I hear you planning to claim that you have provided such evidence? Great. Please provide a link to that post for us.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 68 of 740 (733855)
07-22-2014 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Jaderis
07-22-2014 6:18 AM


Re: observed net erosion deposition must occur somewhere
Again I thank you for your Correct Opinion, and in this case for a whole slew of them.

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Faith 
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Message 69 of 740 (733856)
07-22-2014 10:56 AM
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07-22-2014 9:13 AM


THE Geologic Column is what I've been focused on, A geologic column may or may not relate to THE Column. It has to do with its relation to the Geo Time Scale.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 70 of 740 (733861)
07-22-2014 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
07-22-2014 10:56 AM


There is no one thing that is THE Geological Column. That's an abstraction used for teaching.
In reality, different places on the surface are going to have different geological columns below them.

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Percy
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Message 71 of 740 (733862)
07-22-2014 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
07-22-2014 10:56 AM


Faith writes:
THE Geologic Column is what I've been focused on,...
"THE Geologic Column" is an abstraction and isn't the focus of this thread.
This thread makes the point that a geologic column exists beneath every point on the globe, and that everywhere sedimentary deposits are accumulating the geologic column is growing at that location. For those who will only accept geologic columns made up of sedimentary layers, Message 15 and Message 45 describe examples of sedimentary deposits accumulating atop such geologic columns.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 72 of 740 (733864)
07-22-2014 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Percy
07-22-2014 11:10 AM


Well, my interest has been in THE Geologic Column, so apparently there is no point in my remaining on this thread.

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NoNukes
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Message 73 of 740 (733865)
07-22-2014 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
07-22-2014 11:24 AM


Well, my interest has been in THE Geologic Column, so apparently there is no point in my remaining on this thread.
No there is not. Not when your point has been refuted using your own definition and you have no response. Bye-bye.

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Faith 
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Message 74 of 740 (733866)
07-22-2014 11:36 AM
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07-22-2014 11:28 AM


Gosh I guess I missed your definitive refutation so of course I continue to hold to my original view of the subject. Hazard of the overload problem Moose was talking about no doubt. If it's too much and the evos can't even agree with each other, which he also pointed out, there's certainly no reason for me to continue here.
So byebye yourself.

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Percy
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Message 75 of 740 (733872)
07-22-2014 12:37 PM
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07-22-2014 11:24 AM


Faith writes:
Well, my interest has been in THE Geologic Column, so apparently there is no point in my remaining on this thread.
This thread's intended purpose was to provide the information, evidence and arguments supporting the view that sedimentary deposits are adding to geologic columns all around the world.
--Percy

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