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Faith 
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Message 1263 of 1304 (733268)
07-15-2014 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1261 by Coyote
07-15-2014 1:48 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
Do blieve that's a COAL SEAM , not igneous rock.
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Message 1268 of 1304 (733279)
07-15-2014 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1264 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 3:05 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
WHAT? "...limiting the geological column to igneous rock." WHAT?
Did you mean "sedimentary rock?" That would be closer. But I never said there is no igneous rock in the Geo Column, just that it doesn't form layers like the sedimentary rock. It forms sills, it forms dikes etc.

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Message 1269 of 1304 (733281)
07-15-2014 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1267 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 3:18 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
yes COAL is a sedimentary rock. I don't know how this conversation is getting so confused but that was the point. Igneous rock IS NOT sedimentary rock, what Coyote posted WAS sedimentary rock though he thought it was igneous rock. No, it was a coal seam, which IS sedimentary rock. Yikes this IS a mess but it is certainly not my fault that it is. You just didn't read carefully enough or get the whole context.

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Message 1271 of 1304 (733285)
07-15-2014 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1264 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 3:05 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
Sedimentary rock includes rock made up of chemical substances (salts and other minerals), organic substances, and of course broken up bits of other rocks. I don't see any reason why combinations of sedimentary, igneous, and metamorphic rocks might not be present.
Sure, and a bowl of tomato soup might have a fly in it but it's still a bowl of tomato soup.
But back to the topic. You believe you have a definition of the geological column that is at variance with the definition everyone else claims is correct. But you have yet to do the obvious thing in defense of your position, which would be to site a source using your definition. Why is that?
Not sure, good question. Maybe I just can't believe it's not obvious. But I'll see what I can find to cite for support.
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Message 1276 of 1304 (733295)
07-15-2014 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Coyote
07-15-2014 3:56 PM


Re: Still wrong -- Yes you are
Audrey seems to have misidentified the coal seam as igneous rock. Look at the examples of coal I linked. That's what they look like.
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Message 1277 of 1304 (733296)
07-15-2014 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1274 by New Cat's Eye
07-15-2014 4:03 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
No Nukes took back his error, time for you to do so also.
And that is a coal seam. Look at the examples I linked.
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Message 1281 of 1304 (733301)
07-15-2014 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1270 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 3:42 PM


Re: Igneous rock layers and Geo Golumn definition.
What I've been calling the Geologic Column is called at Wikipedia the
Stratigraphic Column. Clearly it is what I mean and if that is the term everybody recognizes then I'll start using it instead.
the vertical location of rock units in a particular area.
A typical stratigraphic column shows a sequence of sedimentary rocks, with the oldest rocks on the bottom and the youngest on top.
VERTICAL. SEQUENCE OF SEDIMENTARY ROCKS. VERTICAL.
The article goes on to point out that the stack may have been deformed in various ways which make it hard to identify.
There is no mention of the column being anything other than a vertical stack of sedimentary rocks.
Then you want to know if I consider igneous rocks to be a layer in the column or not, and although there are places where they appear as layers they are nevertheless still intrusives into the column, which means they weren't laid down along with the rest of the rocks but pushed up through the stack and spread out between layers, in some cases having a comparable thickness and extent and looking very much like layers. But they are younger than the other rocks because they are intrusives. They are sills, not layers even if they look like layers. The first article you linked said they are found worldwide in the form of layers but they are nevertheless rare.
On the definition of the Geologic Column you quote a Britannica article which says what I've been saying, as does the Wikipedia stub quoted above. Sedimentary, vertical, bottom to top. Layered sedimentary series.
Mentions unconsolidated sediments on ocean floor but doesn't identify them as Geologic Column, is merely demonstrating the extent of sedimentary deposits starting with 75% of the surface area of the continents.
And like the Wikipedia article it goes on to mention that the stack may be deformed and hard to identify.
So far the official definitions confine the column to the recognizable vertical stack, as I have been doing.

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Message 1282 of 1304 (733302)
07-15-2014 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1278 by NosyNed
07-15-2014 5:21 PM


Re: You didn't even read the label?
It looks IDENTICAL to that coal seam I linked, I mean identical, and it doesn't look like the lava layers NoNukes linked. However, if it is CERTAIN that it's lava OK, I'll certainly accept that, but just because somebody says it's lava doesn't convince me because it looks so exactly like the coal seams I linked.

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Faith 
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Message 1286 of 1304 (733309)
07-15-2014 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1285 by Coyote
07-15-2014 6:30 PM


definitely not a coal seam
Of course that is not a coal seam, but there is also no indication that it relates to what you posted earlier either and in any case it is not a layer in the stratigraphic column so what is your point?

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Message 1287 of 1304 (733310)
07-15-2014 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1283 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 5:50 PM


But what has been proved?
If it's on Ascension Island it would have to be lava and not coal, for sure.
But let's review the sequence of posts here.
In Message 1255 I said
If you can show where igneous rocks have formed within the column just as flat and horizontal as the sedimentary rocks I'll rethink it. Otherwise you are wrong. The Geologic Column is a vertical stack of horizontal sedimentary rocks, made up of many segments found in many places, fine, but it's still a vertical stack of horizontal flat rocks.
If that is lava that Coyote posted in Message 1261 and it's on Ascension Island, where the Stratigraphic Column would not exist because it's all volcanic, then that is not the Stratigraphic Column depicted in that photo anyway. Perhaps it's layers of lava but it isn't the Stratigraphic (or Geologic) Column.
When lava IS found as a layer in the Stratigraphic Column it is nevertheless an intrusive sill, a younger rock, and not a layer like the sedimentary layers that are the main identifiers of the Column and form the basis of the Geologic Time Scale.
I nevertheless recognize that it is certainly a thick flat layer of lava if that is what it is -- or, to be more precise, I suppose it was originally flat and horizontal. (On the other hand, being lava, maybe it wasn't).
Again, it looks identical to the coal seam I posted in Message 1263 so I am still wondering about its exact identity.
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Message 1289 of 1304 (733312)
07-15-2014 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1288 by Coyote
07-15-2014 10:05 PM


Re: definitely not a coal seam
You are WAY out of line Mister. What you posted LOOKS like a coal seam, like the one I showed you next. NOW you are posting a sea of lava overflowing a road and you have the unmitigated gall, the nerve, to say I'm wrong that THAT is not a coal seam? And now you are bringing religious belief into a discussion of physical facts? You deserve a smack into the next millennium.
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Message 1291 of 1304 (733314)
07-15-2014 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1284 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 5:57 PM


Re: That long river in Egypt...
I shouldn't have to answer this stupid objection. It's been answered a million times before. Yes the Geo or Strata Column can be deformed in many ways and its original order have to be reconstructed, so why bring that up again? Faulting, intrusive lava, any other kind of deformation can make it necessary, and difficult, to r3econstruct it.
And again, I know there is no such thing as a perfect representative of the Geo/Strata Column anywhere, it's a construct made up of many incomplete representatives.
Stop raising these idiotic objections that have already been answered.

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Faith 
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Message 1294 of 1304 (733317)
07-15-2014 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1284 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 5:57 PM


Just another detour around the block
duplicate of one a few posts above. No idea how that happened.
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Message 1296 of 1304 (733319)
07-15-2014 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1293 by Percy
07-15-2014 10:22 PM


Re: Igneous rock layers and Geo Golumn definition.
NO. The Geo/Strata column is ONLY sedimentary rocks because those are the ones the Geologic Time Scale has to refer to and those are the only ones ever represented for that time scale. They are also the only ones that contain fossils.

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Message 1298 of 1304 (733321)
07-15-2014 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1295 by Dr Adequate
07-15-2014 10:23 PM


Re: Igneous rock layers and Geo Golumn definition.
OK, GEOLOGIC COLUMN THEN.

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