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Author Topic:   Continuation of Flood Discussion
ringo
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Message 1192 of 1304 (733160)
07-14-2014 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1191 by Faith
07-14-2014 12:52 PM


Re: Legoland
Faith writes:
For one thing there aren't any of those little nubbin holes available except on the true original horizontal surface.
So let's talk about ordinary wooden blocks, simple cubes with no little nubbin holes. What prevents me from stacking and restacking the blocks ad infinitum? How do the blocks even know whether they're being stacked on the "original" layer? And why would they care?

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ringo
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Message 1196 of 1304 (733164)
07-14-2014 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1195 by Faith
07-14-2014 1:04 PM


Re: Legoland
Faith writes:
They'll fall off the curves, end up in the dips.
Yes indeed, they will. It's called "erosion". That's how the surfaces get flat if they weren't initially deposited flat.
So, since you agree that I can deposit more blocks on top of the Block Column, what's your idea about the geological column "stopping"? The grains that make it up are just smaller versions of my blocks.

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ringo
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Message 1199 of 1304 (733167)
07-14-2014 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1197 by Faith
07-14-2014 1:17 PM


Re: Legoland
So you have no intlligent response?
What's the difference? If I can put a block on top of the pile - even if it slips to a new location - why can't natural forces put a grain of sand on top of the pile - even if it slips to a new location?

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ringo
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Message 1234 of 1304 (733234)
07-15-2014 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1224 by Faith
07-15-2014 10:38 AM


Faith writes:
Your pictures are awfully distorted which makes them hard to interpret.
Well, they're pictures of distortions, so that's not surprising - nor is it surprising that it's difficult to interpret those distortions as flat.

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ringo
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Message 1235 of 1304 (733235)
07-15-2014 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1228 by Faith
07-15-2014 11:12 AM


Faith writes:
In any case LAYERS are always ORIGINALLY flat and horizontal.
What about lava or volcanic ash?

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ringo
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Message 1241 of 1304 (733242)
07-15-2014 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1232 by Faith
07-15-2014 11:45 AM


Re: A Column is a VERTICAL Structure
Faith writes:
It is not still a column if it continues anywhere but ON the vertical structure.
Well, a Greek column that falls down is still the same column; it's just lying horizontally.
You're taking the word "column" to literally. The "geological column" just means a cross-section of the layers at any point. Some layers are wider than others - some cover whole states, others are just a hole filled with sediment. Some layers get bent or cracked. Some get tipped on their sides like a Greek column. Some are partially or completely eroded away.
Wherever you look you'll get a different cross-section.

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ringo
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Message 1247 of 1304 (733249)
07-15-2014 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1237 by Faith
07-15-2014 12:38 PM


Faith writes:
The strata are sedimentary rock. Lava doesn't form strata.
Suppose there's a flood that leaves layers of sediment. Then lava flows down and covers the sediment. Later, another flood deposits more sediment on top of the lava. The lava is a continous layer, part of which is horizontal and part of which is not.
Edited by zombie ringo, : "The" --> "Then".
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ringo
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Message 1252 of 1304 (733254)
07-15-2014 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1249 by Faith
07-15-2014 12:57 PM


Faith writes:
There may be lava dikes and sills between the layers but they aren't the layers themselves.
So some layers aren't layers? How do you tell which layers are layers?

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ringo
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Message 1303 of 1304 (733467)
07-17-2014 12:57 PM


And in conclusion...
According to Faith, some layers are not layers.
I would add that some floods are not floods; they're fiction.

  
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