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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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In an absurd ruling SCOTUS ruled that the religion of the boss is more important than the religion of all the workers:
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quote: If you don't think this is a BIG mistake perhaps you should read Breaking News Stories from US and Around the World | MSN News
quote: Of course the only reason this is a problem is the historic link of medical benefits to employement, won by unions to improve the lot of workers. With Obamacare and the health care exchanges though, it should be time to break this link, pay the workers in salary what the company and the worker would pay for the company plan, and let the workers get the plan they want: no religious conflict, problem solved. Employers don't have benefits that pay auto insurance or house insurance. AND this gets back to paying workers a living wage so they can afford house car food and insurance. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Thread copied here from the God awful ruling ... SCOTUS screws workers thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
RAZD writes: With Obamacare and the health care exchanges though, it should be time to break this link, pay the workers in salary what the company and the worker would pay for the company plan, and let the workers get the plan they want: no religious conflict, problem solved. Employers don't have benefits that pay auto insurance or house insurance. AND this gets back to paying workers a living wage so they can afford house car food and insurance. I agree fully. Pay us more and let us buy our own insurance. We will lose at first but eventually everyone will pay for insurance. Which will solve the problem for everyone.When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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Pay us more and let us buy our own insurance. While I would also love for that to happen, there is absolutely nothing that indicates that more money for the company would go anywhere other than the CEO/brass. Very few companies have shown that they are willing to share extra profits with employees. What I would rather see happen, and something I have more confidence in being successful as well as a positive stride forward for US citizens, is for that extra money to go into a proper single payer health plan that EVERYONE is qualified for. Health insurance rates are still outrageous and still have $10,000 deductibles. The idea of buying health insurance is an appalling solution.Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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...there is absolutely nothing that indicates that more money for the company would go anywhere other than the CEO/brass. Very few companies have shown that they are willing to share extra profits with employees. And thats whats wrong in America,in a nutshell. the American Dream is becoming attainable for fewer and fewer people. When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I agree fully. Pay us more and let us buy our own insurance. We will lose at first but eventually everyone will pay for insurance. Which will solve the problem for everyone Some will lose and some will gain -- they may be able to sign up for better insurance than the company buys. But yes, in the end it's win-win, unless ... ... the companies object to paying you enough to enable you to buy the birth control they object to, and claim their religious values mean that they don't need to pay you anything ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
What I would rather see happen, and something I have more confidence in being successful as well as a positive stride forward for US citizens, is for that extra money to go into a proper single payer health plan that EVERYONE is qualified for. Health insurance rates are still outrageous and still have $10,000 deductibles. The idea of buying health insurance is an appalling solution. Agreed. Curiously their "majority" decision stated that the government should pay for the birth control -- in effect mandating single payer birth control ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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is for that extra money to go into a proper single payer health plan that EVERYONE is qualified for. Health insurance rates are still outrageous and still have $10,000 deductibles. So would I. But I cannot even imagine how we could get there from here. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The American Dream has always been marketed to everybody but the intention was not that everybody would be able to afford it. I just heard somebody talk the other day about the "pursuit of happiness" as opposed to actual happiness. The American Dream is the Gold Rush, or Las Vegas - something for nothing. But in the end there are more losers than winners. And thats whats wrong in America,in a nutshell. the American Dream is becoming attainable for fewer and fewer people. I'd like to see an American Reality, even if it's slightly less dreamy.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ringo writes: I can deal with reality. What I find it hard to deal with is this whole idea of ever rising prices and expenses and ever shrinking paychecks. I'd like to see an American Reality, even if it's slightly less dreamy. I am at the tale end of the Baby Boom.(born 1959) and my older sister(1950) and I both find ourselves challenged by a world that demands competition(which is ok) yet pays less and less to the participants. If this is reality, I want to be an active voter that shapes this reality. The wealthy folks simply need to take up the slack and pay more of these bills, rather than making everybody pay them. RAZD, do you think that SCOTUS leans more towards favoring wealthy conservatives or do you think they see the need for help for the middle class?When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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RAZD, do you think that SCOTUS leans more towards favoring wealthy conservatives or do you think they see the need for help for the middle class? Yes, certainly in the case of the 5 conservative judges, nor do I see them concerned with the middle class in general, and middle class and lower women in particular. The women are, and Breyers may be. We really need another progressive judge. This article makes some telling points: Page Not Found - Chicago Tribune Amusingly, it appears that the "narrow" ruling wall is already crumbling ... within days of the ruling, which just shows how bad it was. Female justices issue searing dissent over new contraceptive case
quote: So suddenly, not a week has passed, and the breadth of the Hobby Looney ruling has spread from 4 birth control methods to all birth control methods and from closely held corporations to more general application. So much for the narrow minded "narrow ruling" ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : subtitle Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It was a newly-shaped reality that I was talking about. The American Dream is that everybody has an opportunity to become a rich conservative. That's why so many Americans are poor conservatives; they're getting a head start on the only part they can really accomplish. If this is reality, I want to be an active voter that shapes this reality. The reality is that in those instances where somebody does achieve the American Dream, he tends to turn around and oppress the people where he came from. If you're going to change the reality, it's that kind of conservatism that needs to go."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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