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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Good grief.
Everywhere there is an exposed uplift. See the dirt, plants, grasses? That is the next strata forming.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1692 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The creationist "community" isn't into this particular issue, only I am that I know of.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1692 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So, you are asserting that the force was applied directly to the lower strata and not to the upper strata. Do you have any evidence for that ? Any reason why it should be true not just at Siccar Point, but at angular unconformities in general? Sure, because all these things are worldwide and the tectonic forces occurred in the same time frame, somewhere around the end of the Flood. I think volcanoes also and other things also occurred in the same time period. Proving it of course is something else I suppose.
I've answered this many times before. Balance of forces. The point where the weight above balanced out the force of the buckling below.
That doesn't answer it at all. In fact it leads us to expect to see a gradual transition. Shouldn't. Point of equilibrium, above which weight keeps strata stationary, below which strata buckle. Makes good sense.
And I think different textures between the layers probably facilitated movement at the particular level where it occurred.
That doesn't seem very plausible either. I've asked you for support for that assertion, too. Why would different textures help movement? I've given some support in the past. But the fact is that I'm just too intuitive for you. Seems obvious to me.
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ringo Member (Idle past 660 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
So even other creationists, who presumably have the same level of Biblical understanding that you (claim to) have, don't agree with you. The creationist "community" isn't into this particular issue, only I am that I know of."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1692 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes there are correct and incorrect interpretations, but the point is that when you are dealing with past one-time events ALL YOU HAVE is interpretation, you DO NOT HAVE a method for testing if your interpretation is correct.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1692 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know if they would agree with me or not, I haven't tried to persuade them. But many of them do have the strong opinion that the Flood began after the Great Unconformity in the GC occurred, so it might be as hard to persuade them as anybody here.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Yes there are correct and incorrect interpretations, but the point is that when you are dealing with past one-time events ALL YOU HAVE is interpretation, you DO NOT HAVE a method for testing if your interpretation is correct Right. For example, there is no way to tell well after the conception event, whether Sam, Joe, or Bill is the father of the Sue's baby. All of that DNA testing that looks at everything except who mounted Sue last year is just hog wash.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 660 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Sure you do. I suggested a test and you agreed to consider it. Yes there are correct and incorrect interpretations, but the point is that when you are dealing with past one-time events ALL YOU HAVE is interpretation, you DO NOT HAVE a method for testing if your interpretation is correct. It's true that that would only tell you what could have happened, not what did happen - but you can certainly eliminate incorrect interpretations by determining what could not happen."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1692 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do I have to keep repeating for the dull of memory, THE PREHISTORICV UNWITNESSED PAST? I guess so.
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ringo Member (Idle past 660 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Well, "strong opinions" are not particularly persuasive. I personally am more impressed by a geologist who can, for example, find a vein of molybdenum than I am by an armchair creationist with a big pile of useless opinions. Has "flood geology" ever produced any useful results? But many of them do have the strong opinion that the Flood began after the Great Unconformity in the GC occurred, so it might be as hard to persuade them as anybody here."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1692 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not yet. Neither has the ToE, but it never will. If Geology stuck to finding molybdenum instead of pontificating about the age of the earth I wouldn't have a problem with it either.
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ringo Member (Idle past 660 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Sure you would. You have a problem with all science indirectly. You can't throw out one part without throwing out the whole thing. If the age of the earth is wrong, then chemistry and physics are wrong too. If Geology stuck to finding molybdenum instead of pontificating about the age of the earth I wouldn't have a problem with it either."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1692 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sigh. No they aren't.
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ringo Member (Idle past 660 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
"Nuh uh," is still not a very persuasive argument. Sigh. No they aren't. Since the thread is about different "kinds" of science, maybe you could elaborate on how you think chemistry and physics could stand if the earth turned out to be wrong. Hint: you're throwing out decay rates and thermodynamics."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
THE PREHISTORICV UNWITNESSED PAST? I guess so. You can repeat that if you want to. But it is not helpful to your argument. DNA testing does not stop working on even prehistoric situations, and the questions of whether there were witnesses is not relevant. So your qualification is complete nonsense. And I note that the limitation does not keep you from making up nonsense about SICCAR point. Who witnessed that?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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