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Author Topic:   Open letter to all Atheists.
ringo
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Message 226 of 235 (730165)
06-24-2014 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by riVeRraT
06-23-2014 2:01 PM


Re: evolution vs God/creation
riVeRraT writes:
What you and creation scientists need to learn is that the Creator of the universe said to believe in Him by faith. So you aren't going to find any (objective) evidence.
What you need to learn is that everybody already knows that. That's why I said that belief in gods is non-logical (not necessarily illogical). Without evidence, logic has nothing to work on.
riVeRraT writes:
Funny thing that faith though, because all of science requires faith.
Silly boy, you don't understand faith at all, do you?
riVeRraT writes:
But the instruction "manual" for a hammer should say "God forbid you hit yourself in the nuts with this tool".
The point was, "Why do theists have such a high opinion of logic anyway? It's just another tool." Do you have a problem with belief being non-logical?

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 227 of 235 (730167)
06-24-2014 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Faith
06-24-2014 2:24 AM


Re: But Jesus was offended by public prayer
Faith writes:
That's of course because its consistency is something that is spiritually discerned, seen clearly only by believers.
And pink elephants are seen clearly only by drunks.

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ringo
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Message 228 of 235 (730168)
06-24-2014 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by riVeRraT
06-23-2014 1:46 PM


riVeRraT writes:
I am not offended by atheists because I think they are from God.
There is plenty of evidence around of their agenda being pushed on me, this forum is a prime example.
So maybe it's God pushing the atheist agenda on you? That would be ironic.
Incidentally, I've been trying to get hold of a copy of the atheist agenda. They won't send me one because I'm not a member of the club. I'd probably qualify but I'm not much of a joiner.
Could we sneak a peek at your copy?

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Phat
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Message 229 of 235 (730244)
06-26-2014 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by ringo
06-24-2014 12:45 PM


Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
This page Is as close as I could get to the critics idea of any atheist agenda.
It can be summed up thus:
quote:
"Life, the only thing we know, all that we have, is thrown aside by faith in something beyond our termination. If you are one of those who knows that life here and now is wonderful and should be lived to the fullest, you are one of us... According to sociological studies, there are about 22.5 million persons in the United States who are Atheists, persons who have rejected the concept of spending their lives preparing to die; persons who have found the ultimate freedom, FREEDOM OF THE MIND."
Of course I think that humans need guidance from a Higher Power than ourselves...but thats just the Phat Agenda.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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hooah212002
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Message 230 of 235 (730246)
06-26-2014 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Phat
06-26-2014 12:14 AM


Re: Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
that link is better suited to a thread titled "sources you should only use as satire or not at all".

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Phat
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Message 231 of 235 (730248)
06-26-2014 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by hooah212002
06-26-2014 1:00 AM


Re: Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
Its true that I am sloppy in checking my sources...I tend to read something and go with it. In fact, it took me awhile to read that pamphlet and realize that it was pro God and not anti Theist.
I disagree with most members of my church in that I think that our belief is illogical based on what humanity knows. I will argue, however, that humanity needs more than human wisdom in order to solve the greater problems that we collectively face---problems that will magnify in the coming years...global resource competition, wars and killing, addictions and compulsions, and taking ourselves beyond this planet.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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NoNukes
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Message 232 of 235 (730259)
06-26-2014 7:40 AM


First Amendment arguments outdate?
Whatever is the rationale for not allowing prayer at town meetings, there is no longer any point in defending that position based on the first amendment.
The majority of the Supreme Court has held that such prayers are traditional, and that even when the prayers invoke Jesus Christ and no other, the prayers do not have religious implication.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 233 of 235 (730271)
06-26-2014 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Phat
06-26-2014 12:14 AM


Re: Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
So the atheist agenda is, "Life here and now is wonderful and should be lived to the fullest." It sounds a bit like, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." I don't see why riVeRraT would object to having that "pushed" on him.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 234 of 235 (730273)
06-26-2014 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by Phat
06-26-2014 1:11 AM


Re: Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
Phat writes:
I will argue, however, that humanity needs more than human wisdom in order to solve the greater problems that we collectively face....
And I will continue to point out that Christians, for all of their "communion" and secret decoder rings, don't seem to have greater wisdom. They often don't exhibit either the ability or the inclination to help solve our collective problems.

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NoNukes
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Message 235 of 235 (730279)
06-26-2014 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by ringo
06-26-2014 11:52 AM


Re: Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
I don't see why riVeRraT would object to having that "pushed" on him.
It does seem strange. But if your religion requires you to proselytize, then limitations that interfere with your practice of your religion. And if your religion is the majority view point, then having to make allowance for a minority can make your butt hurt.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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