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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Christianity always had "more rights" in Christian countries because it was recognized as the truth and the basis for a good society -- for all citizens, not just Christians; also because Christians had been persecuted and had to have those protections. oh yea the poor christians where persecuted when was that again?? Are any of those persecuted Christians still alive to tell the tale?? Christians where the persecutors for the past 1500 years its time you get over it that the days of your absolute power are over. But gays have been and still are persecuted, they still die because of bigots like you.
If you succeed in throwing it out completely what's going to happen is a degeneration of society to a level even you can't imagine or desire. Yea well i like these new society EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW. k
What you don't get is that it IS loving people to warn them about the consequences of providing rights for something like gay marriage which is a violation of God's law, Dont care what your god thinks he does not get a vote, neither does satan, neither does vishnu, or thor, or zeus, or perun, or jupiter ..... Society makes the laws not gods.
consequences to the society but also to the individuals. Yes but good consequences
It's even loving toward the homosexuals too.
LMAO - laughing my ass off
Would it be loving to let them destroy themselves, end up in Hell because they've been deceived into thinking their lifestyle is OK when it's not? Their lifestyle is perfectly fine its your book thats wrong.
Sin is sin, any kind of sin gets you into Hell, but deceiving yourself that your sin is not a sin is a particularly dangerous situation. Yea sin is sin and the LAW IS THE LAW. One has to obeyed by everybody even Christians the other only by Christians.
I've never killed or persecuted anyone in my life and I don't know any Christians who have. Yea because when they do you drop the well they where not really Christian. Hitler was very Christian, he believed in Jesus, and the bible had the church on his side but you would claim he was not. I am glad that i live in an age where religion is dying where people dont get moral authority because they read a bronze age book, but by actually being moral. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Oh no doubt you can throw us to something. Read up on the Inquisition. I'm sure you can come up with some really interesting places to throw us, hang us, bury us, suffocate us, whatever. Well if you have no preferences one way or another, I know a man who can get me some cut-price wombats.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hitler was a Catholic, he had the Pope on his side, and he modeled the Holocaust after the Inquisition.
Like I've been saying, you can make sure we're punished, you have the power now, and you're obviously a good fascist so I expect you to come up with some really good ways to do away with us.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Yes, death by wombats ought to be interesting.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Sure, the "right" to persecute others is just a "protection".
quote: I'd don't want to get rid of Christianity. But there is little that is Christian or good in your cult. However, because I believe in freedom of religion I can only hope that it dies away as its lies and evil are exposed.
quote: Trying to control people with lies and empty threats isn't loving. If the threats weren't empty it would be terrorism.
quote: If you just stuck to warning people that they were going to hell I would be a lot happier. But you're a habitual and unrepentant sinner, too. And your religion is at the heart of your sins. If you want to be a Christian abandon your pride and your hate and your lies. Because if Christianity is true, you're headed straight for hell.
quote: But there are Christiians who have. And your attitude is very dangerous to freedom and society. Belonging to a religion you don't like is a sin ? Then there is no right to practice that religion, and you can suppress it any way you have the power to. Teaching truths you don't like is a sin? Then you can suppress those truths, too. God's judgement is a threat ? Get rid of the sinners. The Old Testament has plenty of nastiness if you need scriptural justification. Maybe you ought to see the virtues of a fair and just society, instead of claiming special privileges for yourself and denying others the rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Like I've been saying, you can make sure we're punished, you have the power now, and you're obviously a good fascist so I expect you to come up with some really good ways to do away with us Yea but im not Christian il just leave you alone once you leave the gays alone. p.s. Catholic=Christian. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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Yes, death by wombats ought to be interesting. I'm surprised you haven't read the ancient accounts of the nobles right to trial by wombat.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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If they eat her, she's innocent, if they don't, she's a witch.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes RAZD, you can find all those quotes too. Find the ones where they speak of the necessity of Christian morality for a good society. They're out there too. Curiously, I do not need to look any further than the ones I posted, because they tell you that the nation was not founded as a christian nation. It is a secular nation that happens to have a lot of christians. If you were right, then the quotes I listed would not exist. QED Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The ones you posted show that they were not Christians, which I already said if you had bothered to read what I said. What I went on to say was that despite their not being Christians, but Deists and Unitarians and even an atheist, that nevertheless they all wrote extolling Christian morality as necessary to a successful society. Christian morality, not Christian faith as such. These quotes are actually well known and I think must even have been posted here at some time or other, but now it looks like I'm going to have to track them down again.
ABE: There are lots of collections of such quotes: here's one: http://www.usachristianministries.com/...t-god-and-the-bible
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. - John Adams - Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable. - George Washington - True religion affords to government its surest support. - George Washington - Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams - The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. - John Adams - God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever. - Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial The Christian religion is the best religion that has ever been given to man - Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial - The United States in Congress assembled recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools. - United States Congress 1782 - For the use of schools. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The problem with calling Catholicism Christian is that millions of Christians were killed by the Catholic Church during the Inquisition. You ought at least to care about pointing the finger at the right villain instead of at the victims of the villain.\
And in your diatribe against me in which you mentioned something about denying Africans condoms you also didn't bother to find out that it was the Catholic Church that did that too: Catholic Church and HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia Apparently you know nothing about the history of the Reformation and the fact that Catholicism was rejected by the Reformers as false Christianity. I forget what else you accused me and my fellow Christians of, but no doubt the same sort of blind slander. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Ok first one question are US evangelicals Christians? the IHOP guys (International House of Prayer) not the other ihop.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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ABE: There are lots of collections of such quotes: here's one: What proportion of them are goddamned lies?
The United States in Congress assembled recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools. - United States Congress 1782 - Like that one, which is a goddamned lie.
For the use of schools. Is something that goddamned liars pretend they said. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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ABE: There are lots of collections of such quotes: here's one: Now find them in the actual papers written by the actual people and not what appears to be fabrications of the Christian Pseudohistory ilk. For instance Jefferson -- you quote
quote: Which is so at odds with his writings in general that I question the whole as being fabrications. Doing a little basic research on this I found:
the "quote" attributed to Jefferson:
quote: And then I looked at ALL the quotes on the Jefferson Memorial ... and could not find "Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man" listed. Anywhere. In other words you have a questionable quote from questionable sources running counter to other of his statements that are well documented, and one that is NOT in the location your list claims: a perfect example, in other words, of Christian Pseudohistory (self-serving falsehoods). As such I have zero confidence in any of your quotes being accurate and honest. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Now find them in the actual papers written by the actual people and not what appears to be fabrications of the Christian Pseudohistory ilk Sounds fun, the one you mentioned sounds like a Lincoln quote:
quote: reported in 1 (one) newspaper, I can't find the original. The other? Massachusetts Historical Society: Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, page 98 (Look down to where there is crossing out and tiny writing).
quote: Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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