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Larni
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Message 436 of 1309 (727802)
05-20-2014 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by Diomedes
05-20-2014 4:12 PM


Re: equal rights, not just a good idea
Your persecution complex is not only unwarranted but demonstrably false. Ironically, not unlike your scientific views.
Not true. To a Christian persecution is a blessing from Jesus.
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew had a real boner for persecution.
Edited by Larni, : Matthew's boner

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Faith 
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Message 437 of 1309 (727805)
05-20-2014 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 434 by Taq
05-20-2014 4:11 PM


Christians object to gay marriage and are not allowed to. Why don't you follow the whole sequence here? Christians are being set up so that if we object to gay marriage we can be punished by the state. Of coruse that's all right with everyone here, you just need to get up to speed.

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Taq
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Message 438 of 1309 (727807)
05-20-2014 4:25 PM


The New Persecution
Some American christians need to be persecuted so badly that they will invent completely new ways to be persecuted. For example, christians now believe that if non-christians do not follow the edicts of christian theology that the non-christians are persecuting the christians. That's right folks, unless people do exactly what the christians tell them to do, it is the christians who get persecuted.
This is the same backwards logic that leads to the conclusion that bigots are being discriminated against when we give people their freedoms. Crazy, isn't it?

Larni
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Message 439 of 1309 (727808)
05-20-2014 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:23 PM


You are allowed to object. You are objecting here and no one has busted down your door to frog march you the prison.
Object and protest (like Westboro Baptist do), but you can't break the law.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Taq
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Message 440 of 1309 (727809)
05-20-2014 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:23 PM


Christians object to gay marriage and are not allowed to.
You are allowed to object all you want just as white supremists are allowed to object to mixed race marriages. You are still free to be a bigot.
Christians are being set up so that if we object to gay marriage we can be punished by the state.
Show me a single law that punishes christians for objecting to gay marriage?

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Faith 
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Message 441 of 1309 (727810)
05-20-2014 4:30 PM


This is no persecution complex. Just reading this thread is a clue to the popularity of a punishing attitude toward Christians. Well, just read anything at EvC for that matter. The hatred of Bible Christians is in-your-face.
Persecution is only in the beginning stages but it's coming. A few Christian pastors here and there jailed for preaching what the Bible says about homosexuality as a sin. Didn't stick but eventually it will. Christian businesses being targeted by provocateurs to force them to choose between something that gives validity to gay marriage or refuse, and if they refuse they are sued. It's only going to get worse barring God's intervention.
This is how it starts in fascist regimes and I want you all to remember this when it starts happening, because it's on its way and you are its opening salvo.

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Larni
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Message 442 of 1309 (727811)
05-20-2014 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:30 PM


Faith I love you but you really are bonkers.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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PaulK
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Message 443 of 1309 (727812)
05-20-2014 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:23 PM


Faith, can't you see what is really going on in this discussion ? You are the one who doesn't understand what is going on. You haven't bothered to understand what is going on. You won't listen to those of us who tell you what's going on. And because we don't agree with your fantasies you incorporate us into them, and accuse us of being Nazis.
Now you tell me, is that Christian behaviour ?

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Modulous
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Message 444 of 1309 (727813)
05-20-2014 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:07 PM


Re: equal rights, not just a good idea
You said they are forced to validate Christianity and they are not
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 states
quote:
All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
You define being asked to serve homosexuals as 'forcing us to validate gay marriage or take punishment.' The Civil Rights Act forces all homosexuals to provide goods, services, facilities, privileges advantages and public accommodation to Christians. Ergo, they are being forced to validate Christianity, by your own argument.
they are free of the kind of coercion the gay rights people are now bringing against Christians,
Except for at least the last 50 odd years - as the law coerced them to not discriminate against Christians.
making us choose whether we will validate gay marriage with a wedding cake or refuse and get fined
Homosexuals have been made to choose whether they will validate Christian marriage with a wedding cake or refuse and get fined.
And although the laws were on the books until the 60s they had not been prosecuted for a very long time.
The laws were on the books until the 2000s.
It still meant that homosexuals were not free, as they had to keep quiet unless some Draconian officials through the book at them.
Oh and John Lawrence and Tyron Garner. 1998. They were fined $200. for having sexual contact in the privacy of their bedroom.
(an interesting side note. The judge (a Christian) found them guilty of a misdemeanour and attempted to fine them an amount so small they couldn't legally appeal. Funny thing is, for this discrimination he faced little to no consequences and is still working as a judge and is the President of a Christian association. The people he victimized by betraying the US Constitution? Lost a days liberty, faced numerous public officials condemning them and had to pay over a day's wages to the very government that did this to them, and had to endure having 'sexual deviate' on their record for 5 years.
And the Christians who didn't bake the cake, how were they persecuted? They were told by the court not to do it again and fined $0. The Christians have it SO bad.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 445 of 1309 (727814)
05-20-2014 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:30 PM


It's only going to get worse barring God's intervention.
I would love to see the look on your face when smites the crap out of you.
This is how it starts in fascist regimes and I want you all to remember this when it starts happening, because it's on its way and you are its opening salvo.
Like everything else, you don't know fuck about history. If you were right it would have been the Jews persecuting the Nazis.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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ooh-child
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Message 446 of 1309 (727815)
05-20-2014 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:07 PM


Re: equal rights, not just a good idea
Faith, do you know what happened when the couple in Oregon refused to serve the public? You know, they didn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
I'm just curious if you know what really happened, or if you believe what you made up happening, in your head.

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Modulous
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Message 447 of 1309 (727816)
05-20-2014 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 414 by Faith
05-20-2014 2:36 PM


How much?
Christians HAVE BEEN FINED for refusing to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding
How much were they fined?
Christians HAVE BEEN FINED for... refusing to take photographs at a gay wedding.
How much were they fined?

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Taq
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Message 448 of 1309 (727820)
05-20-2014 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:30 PM


This is no persecution complex.
You think gays are out to get you.
"What gays want is to persecute Christians for opposing gay marriage and calling homosexuality a sin."--Faith, message 418
That is a persecution complex.
Just reading this thread is a clue to the popularity of a punishing attitude toward Christians.
Disagreeing with you is not punishing you. Preventing people from getting married because of who they love IS punishing people, and that is what you are IN FAVOR OF. You are supporting discrimination against people because of who they love, and advocating that they be prevented from marrying because of your religious beliefs. That is the very definition of persecution, and it is what you are visiting on gays. When we applaud laws that prevent you from persecuting gays, you play the martyr. Your behavior is absolutely pathetic.

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frako
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Message 449 of 1309 (727821)
05-20-2014 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:23 PM


Christians object to gay marriage and are not allowed to. Why don't you follow the whole sequence here? Christians are being set up so that if we object to gay marriage we can be punished by the state. Of coruse that's all right with everyone here, you just need to get up to speed.
Yea im pretty fine with that the same way i would be fine with those people who killed that woman for turning Christian to get married got punished for their actions.
now im not saying you are not allowed to voice your opinions you can shout it off the rooftops for what i care, but your religion does not give you the right to treat people of different religions, race or sexuality like second class citizens.
now if you dont want to bake cakes for gays then stop baking cakes, chances are a few gays already bought cake from you and you just dint know it. But you cant say i wont sell to jews, chinks, niggers, and or gays, because my faery godmother told me not to.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 450 of 1309 (727822)
05-20-2014 6:37 PM


Pennsylvania
Another day, another state.

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