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Dr Adequate
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Message 265 of 1309 (727022)
05-14-2014 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Faith
05-14-2014 7:17 PM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
Your link is a proposed bill? That supposedly defends my side of this argument or something like that? What does that prove? That somebody agrees with me? If it's not a law but only a bill, so what?
I cannot deal with this level of incomprehension. All I have to say about this is that I think you need a nice lie down and a soothing relaxing prefrontal lobotomy.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 267 of 1309 (727027)
05-14-2014 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Faith
05-14-2014 7:54 PM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
Very well. I wrote, in full:
Dr A writes:
But do explain.
Catholics don't recognize marriages performed by Protestant ministers as legitimate. Is it a blow to their religious freedom if the state recognizes such marriages?
Mormons don't recognize marriages performed outside a Mormon temple as being legitimate. Is it a blow to their religious freedom if the state recognizes such marriages?
I can find you any number of churches which think that interracial marriage is against God's law. (I can supply references, or you can google it yourself.) Does it take away their rights if the state recognizes such marriages?
In the same way, your sect does not recognize gay marriage. That doesn't mean that it's a blow against your religious freedom if the state recognizes the gay marriages performed by different sects, such as the Quakers or the Waldensians or whatnot.
Your reply began:
Faith writes:
Your link is a proposed bill? That supposedly defends my side of this argument or something like that? What does that prove? That somebody agrees with me? If it's not a law but only a bill, so what?
If you would like to suggest any conceivable way in which that does relate to my post ... take all the time you like.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 279 of 1309 (727145)
05-15-2014 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
05-15-2014 3:53 PM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
I'm talking only about people who think they are Christians.
You mean those people who conduct gay marriages?
OK, let's live by the edicts of their religion.

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Message 293 of 1309 (727260)
05-16-2014 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Faith
05-16-2014 4:48 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
And these situations are in fact set up by provocateurs.
Evidence?

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Message 298 of 1309 (727267)
05-16-2014 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by Faith
05-16-2014 4:56 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Evidence is that they didn't need to go to a Christian baker ...
But in order to be provocateurs, they'd need to know beforehand that the baker's views were such as to refuse the cake. By telepathy or something. Now so far as I know, they just walked into a bakery, asked for a wedding cake, and were refused.
This has not been followed by thousands of other gay couples demanding cakes from the same bakery, has it? Such people would be provocateurs. Also, they don't exist.

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Message 364 of 1309 (727542)
05-19-2014 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 360 by Faith
05-19-2014 12:44 AM


"Your knowledge of history is appalling", writes Faith
Your knowledge of history is appalling. The Pilgrims and Puritans never did any such thing.
Boston martyrs - Wikipedia

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Message 365 of 1309 (727543)
05-19-2014 1:40 AM


There's a funny echo in here ...

Dr Adequate
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Message 368 of 1309 (727546)
05-19-2014 1:56 AM
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05-19-2014 1:54 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
No, no, see, some guy was walking along with a gallows, he bumped into some Quakers, he tripped ...
Oopsie.

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Message 398 of 1309 (727644)
05-19-2014 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by Faith
05-19-2014 5:44 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
That word "discriminate" is a politically correct whitewashing word, pure evil.
It's always good when you let us know what is pure evil. In this case it's saying that discriminating against gay people is discriminating against gay people. So, saying something that is true by definition, that's pure evil.
And I am not characterizing the requirement as punishment, the punishment will come as a result of my refusing to obey the requirement. The requirement is, however, persecution. It's a set up to target Christians. Nobody else, just Christians.
Hmm ... you appear to have gone insane.
We just want gay people to have civil rights. No-one gives a fuck about your crazy sect.
To repeat a metaphor I've used before. Suppose some guys take a road trip from Los Angeles to San Fransisco. On their way they run over a beetle. Do you think they took the road trip in order to run over the beetle? Do you suppose they give a shit? They want to get where they're going. They are utterly indifferent to the fact that the beetle was in their way. They certainly didn't plan their route so as to crush the beetle.
The only person in history that I know of who ever said homosexuals could marry was the crazy perverse Caesar Nero.
Then let me enlighten you. People who have "said homosexuals could marry" include the governments of Scotland, England, Wales, Brazil, France, New Zealand, Uruguay, Denmark, Argentina, Portugal, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Canada, Belgium, and the Netherlands. That is a matter of historical fact.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 408 of 1309 (727761)
05-20-2014 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Faith
05-20-2014 10:35 AM


Re: sexual aberrations
It isn't about people at all really ...
Sheesh. Well, that's your opinion of what it's all about. But the rest of us think that it is about people and not about the abstractions in your head. Shall we take a vote?

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Message 450 of 1309 (727822)
05-20-2014 6:37 PM


Pennsylvania
Another day, another state.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 478 of 1309 (727885)
05-21-2014 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 450 by Dr Adequate
05-20-2014 6:37 PM


Re: Pennsylvania
Interesting fact. The ruling in Pennsylvania was delivered by one Judge Jones. Ever heard of him before? Yes you have. Yeah, it's the same guy who presided over the Panda Trial.

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Message 480 of 1309 (727890)
05-21-2014 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 479 by Faith
05-21-2014 1:12 PM


Re: evidence
It is they who come baiting us to refuse them service.
You have produced absolutely no evidence for this claim. Do you want to try?

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Message 498 of 1309 (727932)
05-21-2014 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 497 by Faith
05-21-2014 7:03 PM


God's Other Laws
And the only thing that fits that situation is being asked to make a cake or take pictures for a gay wedding. Perhaps you can come up with a situation I'm not thinking of where I'd be put in the same position ...
Well, suppose your employer asked you to pick up sticks on a Saturday. Suppose you were a waitress required to serve someone shrimp. Suppose you worked in a garment factory and were asked to make clothes from a cotton-nylon mix. Suppose you worked in a bank and were made complicit with lending money at interest. Or suppose you worked in a cake shop, and two people who had been married in your church, but divorced from their respective partners in civil courts, now wanted to marry each other, which is of course adultery in God's eyes. And suppose they ordered a cake.
But you don't give a damn about any of that stuff, the only thing you care about is being mean to gay people, and "God's law" can take a hike.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 503 of 1309 (727943)
05-21-2014 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 501 by Faith
05-21-2014 7:42 PM


Re: God's Other Laws
Jesus fulfilled all those laws so that Christians are not under them. I don't know why you all keep harping on them, they are irrelevant. Jesus fulfilled ALL the laws, so that our salvation is a free gift and His obedience covers all who believe in Him.
Apart from when it comes to making cakes for gay people, where you'd better be justified by works just to be on the safe side.

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