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Faith 
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Message 350 of 1309 (727498)
05-18-2014 3:21 PM
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05-18-2014 3:19 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
That's called projection. Hatred drips from your every pore.

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Message 354 of 1309 (727503)
05-18-2014 3:39 PM
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05-18-2014 3:30 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
PaulK's hatred is palpable.
And it probably IS "rationality" that opposes my BIBLICAL position on GAY MARRIAGE --not "gays," but "gay marriage." That's the subject here, that's the cause of the Christian baker's being fined, and the Christian photographer. Gay MARRIAGE, not "gays."
This is being punished for having a Biblical viewpoint, utterly against the founding freedoms of this nation. Maybe you UK people are so far gone into tyrannical political correctness you don't know anything about real freedoms any more, but America is going in the same direction.
Clearly you are all in favor of this tyranny. I thought some of you might pull back somewhere in my attempt to make you see yourselves as the Nazis you really truly are, but no, you're farther gone than even I had imagined.

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Faith 
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Message 360 of 1309 (727537)
05-19-2014 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by NoNukes
05-18-2014 6:50 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
As I understand it, Faith says that the country had already gone wrong in this regard when the constitution was formed. And perhaps she has a point. Some of the pilgrims came here because they wanted to the religious freedom that included the right persecute and exclude others, and they certainly did manage to do that exactly that.
What evil lying propaganda!
That experience that provided excellent examples and reasons for keeping religion out of the federal government, but even then, the Church of England was the state religion for most of the states on the eastern seaboard for decades after the Constitution was ratified.
We have indeed gotten away from some of those early ideas of freedom. Doesn't stop some people from longing for the good old days when you could own people or kick them to the curb for being different.
Your knowledge of history is appalling. The Pilgrims and Puritans never did any such thing. Muslims do this in their own countries, spit at and shove Christians off the curb, that's where that idea comes from, not from Christians. None of the Christian founders of this nation did any such thing. Where does this evil propaganda come from? Have you read the writings of Bradford and Winthrop? Do you care?

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Faith 
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Message 361 of 1309 (727538)
05-19-2014 1:05 AM
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05-18-2014 6:00 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
This is being punished for having a Biblical viewpoint, utterly against the founding freedoms of this nation. ...
Stop posting blatant falsehoods Faith.
This nation was not founded on 'biblical viewpoints' but adamantly secular ones -- it was intentionally non-denominational secular principals because they KNEW that any religious views would become an abuse of views for others ----- they had seen it, experienced it, and found it distasteful\abhorent.
I said nothing except that the "founding freedoms of this nation" supported a Christian perspective and they certainly did. And the very idea of freedom of conscience is Christian. PROTESTANT Christian, it's condemned by Catholicism.
From the founding Pilgrims and Puritans there was a strong Protestant foundation for the idea of freedom, and every colony had its own Protestant denomination. That's 175 years of mostly Protestant Christian government and culture until the Constitutional era.
Yes when the Federal government was formed 175 years after the original founding, a state church was rejected for the reasons you state, but even that was never intended to kick religion out of the nation as is so often said today. They thought of this as a Christian nation. Even the nonChristian Constitutional founders who were Deists and Unitarians, strongly affirmed the need for the nation to be steeped in specifically Christian morality. Being Enlightenment men they rejected the gospel of Christ but they knew that the moral principles, the Ten Commandments for instance, were essential to a peaceful and prosperous nation. You can find Washington and Adams and Jefferson affirming this, and even the atheist Paine. Possibly Franklin too though I'm not completely sure about him.
But this nation was at least 95% Christian for the first 175 years for sure and even for the next 200. The Constitution itself does however promote a secular mindset although that was vigorously protested by many Christians at the time, who considered the absence of any mention of God to be a betrayal of the true nature of the nation. In spite of this betrayal the Christian mentality prevailed in the nation until quite recently, only the last few decades finally overthrowing it. This secular mentality so popular now is a brand new thing.
So the pagan forces have now won their cause against the majority of the people and the Christian minds who originally conceived and built the nation. I guess you can be happy although it's a disaster for the nation.
OH, and the original American schools taught from the Bible and the Westminster Catechism. Yes, the public schools. The idea was that the citizenry needed to know how to read in order to read the Bible and live by it.
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Faith 
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Message 362 of 1309 (727540)
05-19-2014 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by Modulous
05-18-2014 3:37 PM


Re: Christians have never abused power in the States!
You've bought an awful lot of evil propaganda. What you impute to Christianity is often not due to Christianity at all.
The Christians who think they can persecute members of society with impunity are certainly losing power in America, thankfully. They still have way too much, though.
"Persecute" is typical lying propaganda designed like all the rest of the namecalling on this thread to smear Christians just as the Nazis smeared the Jews and others.. Refusing to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding is not persecution, but fining the Christian baker for that refusal IS persecution.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith 
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Message 366 of 1309 (727544)
05-19-2014 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by PaulK
05-19-2014 1:34 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
You can always find aberrations and exceptions. The Salem Witch Trials are an example. These things are not definitive or characteristic and at least in the case of the Salem trials were opposed and abhorred by the Puritan leadership.

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Faith 
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Message 369 of 1309 (727547)
05-19-2014 1:58 AM
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05-19-2014 1:54 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
THREE mistakes, Paul, THREE.
I'd say the law that fines Christian businesses for refusing to support gay marriage is in the same evil spirit.

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Faith 
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Message 371 of 1309 (727549)
05-19-2014 2:17 AM
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05-19-2014 2:04 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
There is no law commanding support for gay marriage. Only laws demanding non-discrimination in the provision of services.
Clever of them.
So when you refuse to inscribe a cake with a message extolling white supremacy you expect to be punished and would consider it only right.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 373 of 1309 (727551)
05-19-2014 2:39 AM
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05-19-2014 2:25 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
If a Christian business owner can be fined for refusing to do anything that supports gay marriage that is an evil law. Period.

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Faith 
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Message 375 of 1309 (727553)
05-19-2014 3:17 AM
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05-19-2014 2:58 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I said "were." They've been thrown out in recent years, that's why the nation is self-destructing.
Yes, even the Deist founders were in favor of the Ten Commandments.
"
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 378 of 1309 (727559)
05-19-2014 3:59 AM
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05-19-2014 3:50 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Obviously Biblical Christians oppose gay marriage, so obviously a law that prevents us from doing that is designed only to persecute Christians, there is nothing legitimate about it. The hatred is all against Christians who believe what the Bible says.

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Faith 
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Message 379 of 1309 (727560)
05-19-2014 4:00 AM
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05-19-2014 3:53 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Far as I know it isn't illegal. What is your point?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 385 of 1309 (727566)
05-19-2014 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by Larni
05-19-2014 5:07 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
We expect to be punished for it. That's what I've said. You aren't going to relent on your evil law so we will have to be punished. End of story.

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Faith 
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Message 386 of 1309 (727567)
05-19-2014 5:19 AM
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05-19-2014 4:11 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I said they spoke approvingly of Christian morality, spoke of it as essential to a good society, and you can do the research. There are quotations on the subject from all of them, that have probably even be quoted here before. They had no reason to oppose anything in the Ten Commandments. They were totally nave about the pagan religions though.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 388 of 1309 (727569)
05-19-2014 5:44 AM
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05-19-2014 5:37 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
You're characterising a requirement not to discriminate as punishment.
That word "discriminate" is a politically correct whitewashing word, pure evil. You are making a false moral equivalent between an aberrant sexual condition and a legitimate natural classification of human beings such as race or sex.
And I am not characterizing the requirement as punishment, the punishment will come as a result of my refusing to obey the requirement. The requirement is, however, persecution. It's a set up to target Christians. Nobody else, just Christians.
The only person in history that I know of who ever said homosexuals could marry was the crazy perverse Caesar Nero. You are all following in SUCH worthy footsteps.
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