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Faith 
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Message 346 of 1309 (727483)
05-18-2014 2:23 PM
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05-18-2014 2:07 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Exactly! You're right on track there.

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Faith 
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Message 347 of 1309 (727484)
05-18-2014 2:35 PM
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05-18-2014 2:07 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
They'll run out of prison space you know. But I understand there are small cells deep underground beneath some Jesuit colleges. What say we put them into service?

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Faith 
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Message 348 of 1309 (727491)
05-18-2014 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by PaulK
05-18-2014 2:12 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Of course ACTING on my opinions is what I mean. Obviously.
Funny Christians have never thrown bricks through anybody's windows all the time we've supposedly been "in power" in America. It's the ones in power who organize the brickthrowing, the Krystallnacht stuff you know. It's clear that if Christians can be fined for ACTING ON our Biblical views we are not the ones in power. It will be you and yours who are throwing the bricks at us.
Well, you've got us "bigots" where you want us and your palpable hatred will certainly find a brick to pick up eventually.

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Message 349 of 1309 (727496)
05-18-2014 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:06 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
quote:
Of course ACTING on my opinions is what I mean. Obviously.
Unfortunately there is no "of course" about it. It's the sort of lie you would tell.
quote:
Funny Christians have never thrown bricks through anybody's windows all the time we've supposedly been "in power" in America.
I don't believe that's true. People who challenge Christian dominance in some communities can be subjected to some pretty nasty harassment.
quote:
It's the ones in power who organize the brickthrowing, the Krystallnacht stuff you know.
Unfortunately that's only sometimes the case. Mob violence doesn't need the authorities to lead it.
quote:
It's clear that if Christians can be fined for ACTING ON our Biblical views we are not the ones in power.
That's an oversimplification. Not that your actions are Biblical anyway. But the reason that you can be find is that the USA was founded as a secular state and there are still judges with an eye for the law and justice. If you look you can find plenty of "Christian" abuses.
And what about the big fuss over hate crimes legislation ?
quote:
Well, you've got us "bigots" where you want us and your palpable hatred will certainly find a brick to pick up eventually.
I'll take that as an admission that you intend to resort to violence, since you're one of the most hate-filled people I've ever met.

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Faith 
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Message 350 of 1309 (727498)
05-18-2014 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by PaulK
05-18-2014 3:19 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
That's called projection. Hatred drips from your every pore.

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Larni
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Message 351 of 1309 (727499)
05-18-2014 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:21 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I think you will find that it is rationality that opposes your stance of the gays, not hatred. There is a difference between hate and not agreeing with you.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 352 of 1309 (727500)
05-18-2014 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:21 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
quote:
That's called projection. Hatred drips from your every pore.
ROFL ! That's so meta! You're projecting projection !
Just to remind you, I'm not the one demanding the right to discriminate, you are.

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Modulous
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Message 353 of 1309 (727501)
05-18-2014 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:06 PM


Christians have never abused power in the States!
Funny Christians have never thrown bricks through anybody's windows all the time we've supposedly been "in power" in America.
We'll just ignore the genocide and slavery shall we?
And we'll skip over the bit where black people were regularly called 'fucking nigger', the businesses thwarted, their windows smashed, their gardens ruined, their churches burned, and even white people who were sympathetic were attacked and murdered. All the while, the Christian authorities turning convenient blind eyes because they were so busy executing black people who were accused of raping white women.
We'll ignore detonating nuclear weapons on population centres too, I think.
In fact, it's probably best we ignore the entirety of American history. That way, your sentence might be construed as being accurate.
It's clear that if Christians can be fined for ACTING ON our Biblical views we are not the ones in power.
The Christians who think they can persecute members of society with impunity are certainly losing power in America, thankfully. They still have way too much, though.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 354 of 1309 (727503)
05-18-2014 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 351 by Larni
05-18-2014 3:30 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
PaulK's hatred is palpable.
And it probably IS "rationality" that opposes my BIBLICAL position on GAY MARRIAGE --not "gays," but "gay marriage." That's the subject here, that's the cause of the Christian baker's being fined, and the Christian photographer. Gay MARRIAGE, not "gays."
This is being punished for having a Biblical viewpoint, utterly against the founding freedoms of this nation. Maybe you UK people are so far gone into tyrannical political correctness you don't know anything about real freedoms any more, but America is going in the same direction.
Clearly you are all in favor of this tyranny. I thought some of you might pull back somewhere in my attempt to make you see yourselves as the Nazis you really truly are, but no, you're farther gone than even I had imagined.

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PaulK
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Message 355 of 1309 (727505)
05-18-2014 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:39 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
quote:
PaulK's hatred is palpable.
Your lack of self-awareness is truly amazing.
quote:
And it probably IS "rationality" that opposes my BIBLICAL position on GAY MARRIAGE --not "gays," but "gay marriage." That's the subject here, that's the cause of the Christian baker's being fined, and the Christian photographer. Gay MARRIAGE, not "gays."
Odd how you can't find this "BIBLICAL" viewpoint in the Bible, isn't it ?
quote:
This is being punished for having a Biblical viewpoint, utterly against the founding freedoms of this nation. Maybe you UK people are so far gone into tyrannical political correctness you don't know anything about real freedoms any more, but America is going in the same direction.
Of course you aren't being punished for "having a viewpoint". But once the principle of anti-discrimination legislation is accepted, justice demands that gays receive that protection. But you don't discuss that, either.
quote:
Clearly you are all in favor of this tyranny. I thought some of you might pull back somewhere in my attempt to make you see yourselves as the Nazis you really truly are, but no, you're farther gone than even I had imagined.
Viciously slandering people is generally a poor way to convert them to your point of view.

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Modulous
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Message 356 of 1309 (727507)
05-18-2014 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:39 PM


This is being punished for having a Biblical viewpoint, utterly against the founding freedoms of this nation.
Nope. If the couple had refused to bake the cake for a future gay marriage because of their Koranic viewpoint they would still have been fined.
And if they had refused to serve a Christian who was getting (legally) biblically married because of their atheistic viewpoint they would have been fined.
Maybe you UK people are so far gone into tyrannical political correctness you don't know anything about real freedoms any more, but America is going in the same direction.
They only place I've ever visited where I did not feel free was America. I felt very strongly that accidentally being honest could lead to bad things happening to me and a justice system that wouldn't do anything about it.
I remember once I was leaving a gay bar, the chap running it stopped me and had the cameras checked to make sure nobody was hanging around outside.
I guess when you have the freedom to persecute minorities, and you yourself are not a minority - it feels pretty free.
Clearly you are all in favor of this tyranny.
So if a Muslim shopkeeper refused to provide service to a Christian who was getting married to an apostate - that would be totally cool to you. And if Islam became the majority religion in the USA, and this behaviour was the norm rather than the exception - you'd be totally supporting this freedom?
I guess you are totally in favour of the freedom of Muslims to kill educated girls, apostates, Christians in countries were they are the majority?
I thought some of you might pull back somewhere in my attempt to make you see yourselves as the Nazis you really truly are, but no, you're farther gone than even I had imagined.
The world according to faith.... Martin Luther King: pastor, activist, Nazi.

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Larni
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Message 357 of 1309 (727508)
05-18-2014 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:39 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Nazis you really truly are
Opps.
You loose.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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RAZD
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Message 358 of 1309 (727518)
05-18-2014 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:39 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
This is being punished for having a Biblical viewpoint, utterly against the founding freedoms of this nation. ...
Stop posting blatant falsehoods Faith.
This nation was not founded on 'biblical viewpoints' but adamantly secular ones -- it was intentionally non-denominational secular principals because they KNEW that any religious views would become an abuse of views for others ----- they had seen it, experienced it, and found it distasteful\abhorent.
And this narrow-minded selfish view is what you want to impose here with your whining about gay people getting a wedding cake.
Show me where the Constitution mentions either "GOD" or "BIBLE" -- you can't because it IS NOT THERE.
Show me where the Declaration of Independence mentions "BIBLE" -- you can't because it IS NOT THERE.
Show me that the mention of "NATURE's GOD" means anything other than the DEIST GOD -- you can't because it IS NOT THERE.
And don't try to pawn off evidence of certain founding father's being Christian as anything OTHER than evidence that there were many views involved, some Christian, some Deist, some Jewish some, many, secular. Because you can't show that because SOME Christians were involved means more than that.
Get off your silly little pedestal and understand that the world includes MANY people of MANY different beliefs -- and the United States Of America is just as committed to those people and their beliefs as they are to yours.
Welcome them. Learn from them. Grow.
Get over yourself. The world is OLD, and until you understand this FACT your opinions will just hold you back from reality.
I say this for your good.

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Message 359 of 1309 (727525)
05-18-2014 6:50 PM
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05-18-2014 6:00 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Show me where the Constitution mentions either "GOD" or "BIBLE" -- you can't because it IS NOT THERE.
As I understand it, Faith says that the country had already gone wrong in this regard when the constitution was formed. And perhaps she has a point. Some of the pilgrims came here because they wanted to the religious freedom that included the right persecute and exclude others, and they certainly did manage to do that exactly that.
That experience that provided excellent examples and reasons for keeping religion out of the federal government, but even then, the Church of England was the state religion for most of the states on the eastern seaboard for decades after the Constitution was ratified.
We have indeed gotten away from some of those early ideas of freedom. Doesn't stop some people from longing for the good old days when you could own people or kick them to the curb for being different.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 360 of 1309 (727537)
05-19-2014 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by NoNukes
05-18-2014 6:50 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
As I understand it, Faith says that the country had already gone wrong in this regard when the constitution was formed. And perhaps she has a point. Some of the pilgrims came here because they wanted to the religious freedom that included the right persecute and exclude others, and they certainly did manage to do that exactly that.
What evil lying propaganda!
That experience that provided excellent examples and reasons for keeping religion out of the federal government, but even then, the Church of England was the state religion for most of the states on the eastern seaboard for decades after the Constitution was ratified.
We have indeed gotten away from some of those early ideas of freedom. Doesn't stop some people from longing for the good old days when you could own people or kick them to the curb for being different.
Your knowledge of history is appalling. The Pilgrims and Puritans never did any such thing. Muslims do this in their own countries, spit at and shove Christians off the curb, that's where that idea comes from, not from Christians. None of the Christian founders of this nation did any such thing. Where does this evil propaganda come from? Have you read the writings of Bradford and Winthrop? Do you care?

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