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Message 217 of 591 (725299)
04-25-2014 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by ringo
04-23-2014 3:12 PM


Re: Reasons For Belief
ringo writes:
... the evidence is that no god has your back; no god is reliable.
If we took a poll using 2000 people who claimed to be saved and 2000 others not in that category, we would likely have contrarian views representing each corresponding sample. Technically, this would not support evidence, but it would explain why some think different from others.
Would we conclude confirmation bias, or would we admit that there was no explanation either way?

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 219 of 591 (725381)
04-26-2014 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by ringo
04-25-2014 1:27 PM


Re: Reasons For Belief
The ones who wish God had their backs are ignoring the evidence, which plainly shows that He doesn't.
I fail to see any evidence. Which is not evidence of absence, in my book.
This is where so many people make a wrong turn and fail to ask for directions. Some assume that they know the territory.
I suppose, however, that technically they have as much right as I do to assume such things. They assume that the map is internal and subjective. I believe that the map is internal and imparted objectively by God.
They assume that in this vast universe---for now---humanity and human wisdom---relying on each other----is all we have.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 223 of 591 (725932)
05-04-2014 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by ringo
04-28-2014 12:12 PM


Re: Reasons For Belief
ringo writes:
You know very well that God doesn't give you what you ask for most of the time.
Thats because by human nature we are at enmity with God. He only begins to give us the desires of our heart once our heart is transformed...by Him....and we no longer live for ourselves but for Him.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 225 of 591 (725934)
05-04-2014 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by ringo
05-04-2014 3:56 PM


Re: Reasons For Belief
you dont understand. Communion is better for all of us. He is not selfish about it. And its not something He makes happen. We ask for it. Its a joint decision.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 328 of 591 (726629)
05-10-2014 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by ringo
05-10-2014 2:29 PM


Re: Satan
Essentially, it could be argued that satan created himself...at least as a freely expressive character. God allegedly created the angels...Lucifer among them---or so the legend goes.
The legend also says that God created evil(Isaiah) but I would argue my interpretation being that God created the possibility of evil, which Lucifer chose. Perhaps from Lucifers standpoint, he was choosing autonomy over submission. I would be hard pressed as a defense attorney to defend him in court. I wouldn't defend Hitler either.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 329 of 591 (726631)
05-10-2014 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by ringo
05-09-2014 12:25 PM


Re: Satan
ringo writes:
How do you know the "satanic books" aren't sponsored by God to make Satan look bad?
Anything is possible within the realm of discussion, I suppose. The next question would be why would God trick us? Hey---I can see that in some ways being fully autonomous is better than being under rule. I might direct the courts attention, however, to the evidence which does not have any good attributes on satans rap sheet while Jesus has a darn good record. For satan to turn out to be the good guy holds no evidence.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 411 of 591 (727193)
05-16-2014 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by Blue
05-16-2014 2:24 AM


9-11 and what may happen thereafter
I dont think the video is nuts at all. God never makes us come closer to Him any more than He makes our enemies attack us. He does foreknow that such things must happen, however.
The rest of the world is very envious of America and yet have increasingly come to hate us---as a country. They claim that not only do we hog the worlds resources for our own people---we brazenly police the world to preserve our own interests.
9-11 was but a taste of what may happen...if 5 nukes hit us and destroyed 5 cities instead of two buildings, our economy would collapse and our way of life change, because it is quite certain that we the people would go to war against such a strike.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 517 of 591 (727485)
05-18-2014 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 516 by Larni
05-18-2014 1:37 PM


Re: Satan
larni writes:
God makes the good and bad things happen. Maybe he could stop creating evil?
Maybe we could stop choosing it.....
I believe that God compels us to do good but that He does not compel us to do evil. We choose that on our own....

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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