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Faith 
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Message 314 of 1309 (727356)
05-17-2014 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Faith
05-17-2014 3:49 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Actually I think I spoke too soon. The issue here is an overt challenge to the conscience. If I'm asked to make a wedding cake for a heterosexual wedding and have no reason to know whether it is a first or other marriage, I'd have no reason not to make it. That's the principle of minding my own business that I said before rules.

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Message 316 of 1309 (727359)
05-17-2014 4:13 PM
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05-17-2014 4:04 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I knew you could do it.

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Message 320 of 1309 (727431)
05-18-2014 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by PaulK
05-18-2014 4:25 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I agree that Protestant churches aren't strict enough about what Jesus and in fact scripture elsewhere says about remarriage. I've heard rationalizing sermons that are very disappointing. I also think that Christians should be a lot stricter about every kind of sexual sin that has been casually practiced in western society over the last half century or so. Scripture condemns it ALL and it all erodes the moral basis of the culture.
How this all plays out in the bakery, however, depends on whether the baker's conscience is engaged in conspiring to support a sinful act, and our conscience only condemns what we believe to be sinful, so those who don't think remarriage is sinful won't have their conscience engaged even if they are aware of the particulars.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 322 of 1309 (727435)
05-18-2014 10:52 AM
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05-18-2014 10:21 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
So sorry, we are not to support any law that violates God's law, we are obliged to refuse to obey it.

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Message 324 of 1309 (727438)
05-18-2014 11:00 AM
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05-18-2014 10:59 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Sorry, you have that out of context. We are to obey God when there is a conflict with worldly law.

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Message 326 of 1309 (727445)
05-18-2014 11:12 AM
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05-18-2014 10:59 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Acts 5:28-29 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Gay marriage is a horrific violation of God's Law. To do anything to support it is a horrific sin and violation of a Christian's conscience. Laws that support gay marriage must be disobeyed by Christians in these cases set up by provocateurs to try to force us to act against God.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 328 of 1309 (727447)
05-18-2014 11:14 AM
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05-18-2014 11:12 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Aw, you still miss us?

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Message 330 of 1309 (727453)
05-18-2014 11:25 AM
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05-18-2014 11:16 AM


Re: obedience
As I said, that is taken out of context. You have to read the Bible in its own context. Obviously where there is no conflict with God's law we are to obey the secular law, but equally obviously where there is a conflict, in this case an egregiously direct conflict, we obey God and not man. As I just quoted the apostles saying in answer to the Jewish authorities.
Human law may call for the extermination of Jews. I m obliged to disobey that law.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 332 of 1309 (727455)
05-18-2014 11:28 AM
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05-18-2014 11:25 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
What you think is irrelevant. If a Christian's conscience is violated he must obey his conscience, not yours.

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Message 335 of 1309 (727468)
05-18-2014 12:43 PM
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05-18-2014 11:44 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Well, you know, you can always have us fined for our "bigotry," that's the point of this whole set-up, that your opinion be allowed to trump ours.

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Message 338 of 1309 (727474)
05-18-2014 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by PaulK
05-18-2014 1:11 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
You set it up to be a matter of opinion, not I. Your opinion of what the Bible means being completely different from mine. No more freedom of opinion is the point. I can be fined for mine. I think this is how it started in Nazi Germany too. Gradual diminishment of citizens' rights for those targeted by the powers that be. You're on the right side though, you can be happy when the Christians, nasty evil bigots, haters and hypocrites we are, get our just desserts. Oh and we're cockroaches and vermin too, subhuman like the Jews and the Slavs and the Tutsis.
You can also join the gay rights people in throwing bricks through the windows of Christian businesses, I'm sure that's coming eventually.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 340 of 1309 (727476)
05-18-2014 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by Modulous
05-18-2014 1:27 PM


Re: obedience
Rome thanks you. When the Christians refuse to worship the next Caesar to come down the pike calling himself god, disobeying a law required of all of us, you can be comfortable in your conscience as you genuflect while we disobeyers of the law are rightly treated as the criminals we are.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 346 of 1309 (727483)
05-18-2014 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 344 by Larni
05-18-2014 2:07 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Exactly! You're right on track there.

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Message 347 of 1309 (727484)
05-18-2014 2:35 PM
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05-18-2014 2:07 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
They'll run out of prison space you know. But I understand there are small cells deep underground beneath some Jesuit colleges. What say we put them into service?

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Message 348 of 1309 (727491)
05-18-2014 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by PaulK
05-18-2014 2:12 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Of course ACTING on my opinions is what I mean. Obviously.
Funny Christians have never thrown bricks through anybody's windows all the time we've supposedly been "in power" in America. It's the ones in power who organize the brickthrowing, the Krystallnacht stuff you know. It's clear that if Christians can be fined for ACTING ON our Biblical views we are not the ones in power. It will be you and yours who are throwing the bricks at us.
Well, you've got us "bigots" where you want us and your palpable hatred will certainly find a brick to pick up eventually.

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