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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3653 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Capt writes: The researchers... are using metaphor when they describe DNA as a code. You want to try backing that up with FACT?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8712 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Your "second code hiding in DNA" is hype. It is not real.
This additional layer of complexity, regulatory sequences (ie, promoter and enhancer sequences), has been known for decades. The UofW paper points out that the use of preserved pairs of nucleotides which double as transcription binding factors is more prevalent than first thought. That's it. An expansion of what we already knew. No "second code". The "second code" hype was courtesy of UofW's public relations office (think marketing folks). As usual, the weak minded press jumped at the hype. Press people are a scourge to truth, just like creationist IDiots. You read/heard something that fit your preconceived BS and swallowed it all whole.
source 1 source B The sequences here are NOT some second code, some second language, that's been hidden in DNA all this time. They are standard functions of DNA that are nothing new or "stunning". Only the extent of their usage is new and not hardly "stunning" in the least. You got had.
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JonF Member (Idle past 492 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
No response to Message 189 or Message 190? Obviously because you have no response that doesn't involve acknowledging the errors that cripple your argument...
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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Sure. I'll give you 2 facts:
1 - I am a native English speaker. I understand these things. 2 - You have avoided every question asking you to explain your claim that there is a difference between the chemistry of DNA and chemistry that doesn't contain a code. That is internet code for "I'm not honest".
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3653 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
The researchers, like all scientists, are using metaphor when they describe DNA as a code. Researchers are big boys and can speak for themselves. If they mean 'metaphorical code' they will say it.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3653 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
AZ writes: No "second code". The "second code" hype was courtesy of UofW's public relations office (think marketing folks). As usual, the weak minded press jumped at the hype. ![]() but we should listen to you instead. You flatter yourself.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
Researchers are big boys and can speak for themselves. If they mean 'metaphorical code' they will say it. So how does the DNA hold the pen when it "writes" the code? What kind of ink does it use? After all, if the authors meant "write in a metaphoric sense" they would say that, wouldn't they?
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3653 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Capt writes: Capt writes:
You want to try backing that up with FACT? The researchers... are using metaphor when they describe DNA as a code.... Sure. I'll give you 2 facts:1 - I am a native English speaker. I understand these things. 2 - You have avoided every question asking you to explain your claim that there is a difference between the chemistry of DNA and chemistry that doesn't contain a code. That is internet code for "I'm not honest". So you prefer to launch a personal attack on my honesty rather than present FACTS to back up your assertion. Typical Darwinist hubris...
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
So you prefer to launch a personal attack on my honesty rather than present FACTS to back up your assertion. No attack, it is an simple observation of your behavior. If you are honest, go back and answer the question that has been posed several times. Honest is as honest does. You might also answer the question about how DNA "writes".
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3653 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Capt writes: Researchers are big boys and can speak for themselves. If they mean 'metaphorical code' they will say it.
So how does the DNA hold the pen when it "writes" the code?What kind of ink does it use? The DNA didn't write the code, the intelligent designer of life wrote the code in the DNA at the creation of life. Capt writes: After all, if the authors meant "write in a metaphoric sense" they would say that, wouldn't they? Yes, they would. And in your word salad, you forgot to include the facts that support your statement. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
The DNA didn't write the code, Ah, I see. You're not familiar with the article you linked to. Quelle surprise. Let me help. Here is a quote from the lead author of the paper: "The fact that the genetic code can simultaneously write two kinds of information..." Note that he is referring to the code doing the writing. According to you, he must mean it in a literal sense, since as you say:
Yes, they would. ...say it was a metaphor if that's what it was. So, how does the DNA hold the pen?
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
And in your word salad... Actually my replies tend to be rather terse, and, as befits their target, couched in fairly simple language. Quite the opposite of word salad. But it's kind of cute the way you mimic the grown-ups language. Sort of like a little boy standing in his daddy's shoes, a fedora covering half his head, pretending to shave with whipped cream and a toothbrush handle. So do please carry on.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3653 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
your first link writes: Since the genetic code was deciphered in the 1950s, scientists have continued to find additional layers of complexity in the regulation of how genes are transcribed to make proteins. The current study from UW scientists have added additional knowledge to this growing field.-Repeat after me: There is no newly discovered hidden code in DNA. | by Matt Russell, Ph.D. | Science for All | Medium. You can keep the hype. it's enough that the author freely admitted the above. He confirms that 'additional layers of complexity' have been found, and that the UW scientists have added 'additional knowledge to this growing field'. So your claim "there is no second code!" is all hype. You might try reading the WHOLE article before making such outrageous accusations against a university's researchers and writers.
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Ed writes: If they mean 'metaphorical code' they will say it. I noticed that. Every time I encounter metaphorical language in English, hey, there it is! A big fat red METAPHOR printed right next to it! Thank God, huh? Otherwise some folks could [color=red]METAPHOR[/color=red] make asses of themselves. Edited by Omnivorous, : make METAPHOR red, for Ed"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3653 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
your second link writes:
Your smart-pants 'contributor' thinks she knows better than to use literary terms to describe the codon... The release also contains gems such as The genetic code uses a 64-letter alphabet called codons. This sentence makes me sad... yet in the SAME PARAGRAPH, gloating after showing up a research scientist, she gets a little too 'wordy' for her own good (pardon the pun):
your second link writes:
...Some amino acids get more than one word to designate them.![]() Either way, this contributor is screwed. Sad to say, many of my opponents here have adopted the same tactics of EQUIVOCATING. Good luck with that.![]() Edited by Ed67, : No reason given. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.
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