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Message 256 of 638 (725361)
04-26-2014 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Omnivorous
04-26-2014 8:54 AM


the cornstarch evidence of design
You probably couldn't see that 'cause it's a secret invisible code.
Is that like the secret invisible code in cornstarch?
Looks like information that is complex and specified in that stuff ... hidden in the molecules ...

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Message 257 of 638 (725364)
04-26-2014 9:45 AM
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04-26-2014 9:34 AM


Re: the cornstarch evidence of design
RAZD writes:
Is that like the secret invisible code in cornstarch?
Maybe. A good sauce is divine.
You can't say that about most people

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Message 258 of 638 (725372)
04-26-2014 11:59 AM
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04-25-2014 9:55 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Ed67 writes:
You are desperate to squash the idea of a code embedded in the DNA/RNA molecule.
All I'm saying is that the "code" that's "embedded" in DNA is its structure - and that every other molecule has its own structure too, so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way.
Ed67 writes:
Where do you think I got those quotes from?
I'm assuming that you got the quotes accurately from Crick and/or Watson. I don't know where you got your misunderstanding of those quotes. They don't mean what you think they mean.
Since you don't understand chemistry, you can't expect to understand quotes about chemistry.

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Message 259 of 638 (725373)
04-26-2014 12:08 PM
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04-25-2014 7:58 AM


Ed67 writes:
You've got some kind of creepy 'group think' going on...
"Group think" is actually related to objectivity. If the group comes to the same conclusion, chances are they've overcome their biases. If the odd man out disagrees, chances are it's because of his individual biases.
Ed67 writes:
... where you all have developed the same blind spots.
Again, if one person sees pink elephants and the group doesn't, chances are the odd man out is hallucinating.

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Message 260 of 638 (725397)
04-26-2014 9:12 PM
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04-26-2014 11:59 AM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
ringo writes:
Ed67 writes:
You are desperate to squash the idea of a code embedded in the DNA/RNA molecule.
All I'm saying is that the "code" that's "embedded" in DNA is its structure - and that every other molecule has its own structure too, so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way.
Ed67 writes:
Where do you think I got those quotes from?
I'm assuming that you got the quotes accurately from Crick and/or Watson. I don't know where you got your misunderstanding of those quotes. They don't mean what you think they mean.
Since you don't understand chemistry, you can't expect to understand quotes about chemistry.
Did you notice the one from the University of Washington?
And, since you know so much about chemistry, and are dying to share it, would you please explain your statement:
ringo writes:
...so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way [as DNA].
Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.

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Message 261 of 638 (725398)
04-26-2014 9:28 PM
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04-26-2014 9:12 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Did you notice the one from the University of Washington?
Did they say that it was not, as Ringo said:
Ringo: that the "code" that's "embedded" in DNA is its structure - and that every other molecule has its own structure too, so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way.
Did they say some process other than chemistry was involved?
And, since you know so much about chemistry, and are dying to share it, would you please explain your statement:
It's just ...terms "in the English language understandable by English speakers. It means exactly what it says. It is not a mathematical term, ..." ... especially those that studied chemistry ...
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Message 262 of 638 (725399)
04-26-2014 9:34 PM
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04-26-2014 9:28 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
I wasn't talking to you, turnip head.

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Message 263 of 638 (725400)
04-26-2014 9:38 PM
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04-26-2014 9:34 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
I wasn't talking to you, turnip head.
So, you finally admit you are an immature troll.

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Message 264 of 638 (725405)
04-26-2014 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Dr Adequate
04-24-2014 4:01 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
DA writes:
But it's not extra, that's the point that ringo's trying to make. You couldn't, for example, remove the "information" in the DNA but leave the chemistry, or remove the chemistry but leave the "information".
You are correct. The code necessary to sustain life is integrated with the chemistry of the DNA molecule, of course.
Marvellous, isn't it?

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Message 265 of 638 (725406)
04-26-2014 10:53 PM
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04-26-2014 9:34 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Ed67 writes:
I wasn't talking to you, turnip head.
So, you've moved on to the next chapter of the IDiot's playbook; try to get suspended so you run back to your sandbox full of other IDiots and tell them you got banned because we couldn't refute your arguments. How very unoriginal and transparent.

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Message 266 of 638 (725407)
04-26-2014 11:07 PM
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04-26-2014 10:53 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Is that an invitation, or a threat?

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Message 267 of 638 (725408)
04-26-2014 11:15 PM
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04-26-2014 11:07 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
ED676 writes:
Is that an invitation, or a threat?
Neither. It's an observation.
I'd never invite anyone to leave. If/when I get tired of you, I'll just stop reading your verbal vomitus. And I don't have the authority to suspend or ban anyone, so I there'd be no point in my threatening to.

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Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 268 of 638 (725411)
04-26-2014 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by ringo
04-25-2014 12:58 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
ringo writes:
Ed67 writes:
The CODE for building proteins necessary for life. In a molecule. Now you can't say that about salt.
Of course you can. The only "code" is the arrangement of the molecule. Every molecule has an arrangement which determines its reactions. What's so hard to understand about that?
Uhh, sorry ringo cuz I know that you're a real chemistry enthusiast, but I have to tell you:
SALT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE CODE FOR BUILDING OF PROTEINS.

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Message 269 of 638 (725413)
04-26-2014 11:50 PM
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04-26-2014 11:38 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
SALT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE CODE FOR BUILDING OF PROTEINS.
Of course not, it's not DNA.
It does, however, contain the code for preserving Cod in a barrel. How amazing.

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Message 270 of 638 (725418)
04-27-2014 1:55 AM
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04-26-2014 11:50 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
t does, however, contain the code for preserving Cod in a barrel. How amazing.
Yes. And for melting ice and freezing ice cream! Who programmed that code?

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