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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Ed67 writes:
Of course you can. The only "code" is the arrangement of the molecule. Every molecule has an arrangement which determines its reactions. What's so hard to understand about that? The CODE for building proteins necessary for life. In a molecule. Now you can't say that about salt. If you could stop being hypnotized by words like "code" and "embedded", maybe you could start to understand the chemistry. Edited by ringo, : Speling.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Ed67 writes:
Let's say XY is a molecule with a "code" (its structure). We have a bunch of XY swimming around in a beaker with a bunch of W and a bunch of Z. An XY attaches to a W to make WXY. Then the WXY attaches to a Z to make ZWXY. Then the original XY separates, leaving ZW. You can't even understand the basic function of DNA. That's pretty much how chemistry works. Pop quiz: Can you spot the DNA?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I think you guys have spent too much time sitting around congratulating each other. You've got some kind of creepy 'group think' going on where you all have developed the same blind spots. Now that is code. Real code, not that bogus crap you've been pushing here. I can't say it is intelligently designed but it certainly is a human construct. "group think" is code for being in substantial agreement on this specific issue and "blind" is code for disagreeing with the delusional ravings of IDiotology. Yeah, Ed, you got us there. We often are that way. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : spl
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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"group think" is code for being in substantial agreement on this specific issue and "blind" is code for disagreeing with the delusional ravings of IDiotology. Now if there were actual "objective evidence" (code for facts) rather than "the assertion of opinion" (code for fantasy) and "the argument from incredulity" (code for wishful thinking), if there were something other than the chemical connection of elements into molecules according to the rules of chemical bonding ... then you might experience a "see change" (code for objective evidence substantiated argument) ... We gots lots a codes ... Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
good one. Any high school student can tell you that - in the base pair arrangement, of course. No, seriously, you knew that, right?
I don't see a code. Can you please describe it for me?
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3351 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
ringo writes:
Ed67 writes:
Of course you can. The only "code" is the arrangement of the molecule. Every molecule has an arrangement which determines its reactions. What's so hard to understand about that? The CODE for building proteins necessary for life. In a molecule. Now you can't say that about salt.If you could stop being hypnotized by words like "code" and "embedded", maybe you could start to understand the chemistry. You are desperate to squash the idea of a code embedded in the DNA/RNA molecule. Where do you think I got those quotes from? Did you click the links? It's not Creationist Propaganda - it's right in front of your face, from mainstream scientific sources.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Ed67 writes: Where do you think I got those quotes from? Well, I know you got one of them from James Watson, who thinks intelligent design is only for the uneducated. It's almost like you and Watson were using the word "code" in completely different ways. Food for thought.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3351 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
subbie writes: Ed67 writes:
Well, I know you got one of them from James Watson, who thinks intelligent design is only for the uneducated. It's almost like you and Watson were using the word "code" in completely different ways. Where do you think I got those quotes from? Food for thought. ...Yes, it's food for thought that even a committed materialist must admit that they've found a code in DNA. What's wrong with the rest of you guys?
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3351 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Taq writes: I don't see a code. Can you please describe it for me? Here, I'll let the good folks at the University of Washington tell you what they see...
quote:Scientists discover double meaning in genetic code | UW News And here's the opening sentences of the abstract:
quote:Just a moment... Two different codes now! Sounds pretty complex to me.And the codes are specified to produce different results. Here we go again, leading, recent research uncovers more of the specified complexity of the DNA molecule. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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You keep quoting James Watson as if his comments support your position when he has explicitly rejected your position and you ask what's wrong with us.
Curious.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3351 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
subbie writes: You keep quoting James Watson as if his comments support your position when he has explicitly rejected your position and you ask what's wrong with us. As i've established, Watson's factual findings support my position. His personal opinion is irrelevant.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Ed67 writes: As i've established, Watson's factual findings support my position. His personal opinion is irrelevant. I see. So your understanding of the implication of DNA is superior to that of one of the people who discovered its structure. Curiouser. Edited by subbie, : TyopRidicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3351 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
subbie writes: Ed67 writes:
I see. So your understanding of the implication of DNA is superior to that of one of the people who discovered its structure. As i've established, Watson's factual findings support my position. His personal opinion is irrelevant. Curiouser. You're curiousest
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Ed67 writes: You're curiousest The old "I know you are but what am I" retort. What's next, "I am rubber, you are glue?"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Taq writes: I don't see a code. Can you please describe it for me? I think I can help. Other complex molecules do what natural law compels them to do. DNA does what natural law compels it to do in the name of god. You probably couldn't see that 'cause it's a secret invisible code. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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