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PaulK
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Message 1 of 6 (725070)
04-24-2014 1:38 AM


My Debate With an 'Intelligent Design' Theorist
A couple of quotes:
West’s claim is politically expedient. ID has to be secular to succeed. Indeed, ID emerged from the wreckage of creationism when the U.S. Supreme Court declared the latter formally religious and thus forever banned from science classes in the public schools. But ID is not, of course, secular, and would immediately disappear if not for evangelical Christians who underwrite it in the hopes of bringing America back to what they see as its Biblical roots.
I went on to argue that the explanatory deficiencies of ID are overwhelming, extending far beyond bad and sinister design. ID, in fact, has no theory, despite its proponents’ claim to the contrary and their propensity to call themselves theorists. ....
Anyone familiar with ID should, of course, already know both of these.

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saab93f
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Message 2 of 6 (725076)
04-24-2014 7:55 AM
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04-24-2014 1:38 AM


What this article once again shows is the utter emptiness of ID and the incredible deceitfulness of its proponents. What really made my blood boil was this:
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I mentioned in the debate that I thought this difficultyacknowledged as it was by other ID theoristswas the deepest and most interesting challenge facing ID. But Meyer assured me that this is no longer an issue and that they now had a theory, although whatever it is appears to remain a well-kept secret. I objected that, as a physicist with a Ph.D who had studied some real theoriesquantum mechanics, classical mechanics, electromagnetismID did not remotely resemble any other theory in the natural sciences and was thus hard to see how it might work. The response was that ID was under no obligation to satisfy the expectations of the scientific community for what a theory should look like.
There is not an ounce of honesty or integrity in IDiots - they are on a mission to have their beliefs spread and they do not care about the collateral damage.

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Message 3 of 6 (725081)
04-24-2014 9:41 AM
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04-24-2014 7:55 AM


The response was that ID was under no obligation to satisfy the expectations of the scientific community for what a theory should look like.
I see this as just an admission that ID is not science. When we say the word theory, we mean implicitly scientific theory.
In short, there is no theory and Meyer admits that.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 4 of 6 (725097)
04-24-2014 10:33 AM
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04-24-2014 7:55 AM


The response was that ID was under no obligation to satisfy the expectations of the scientific community for what a theory should look like.
"I have a pet elephant."
"Show me ... oh, that's not an elephant."
"Why do you say that?"
"Because it's small and furry with long ears and and a cottontail and looks like a rabbit."
"My elephant doesn't have to satisfy your expectations of what an elephant looks like!"

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saab93f
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Message 5 of 6 (725124)
04-24-2014 11:36 AM
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04-24-2014 10:33 AM


"My elephant doesn't have to satisfy your expectations of what an elephant looks like!"
What a lovely cop-out. As long as the ID-folks get to define the terminology their way...
Horoscopes are more scientific than ID.

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Diomedes
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Message 6 of 6 (725144)
04-24-2014 1:30 PM
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04-24-2014 9:41 AM


The response was that ID was under no obligation to satisfy the expectations of the scientific community for what a theory should look like.
I see this as just an admission that ID is not science. When we say the word theory, we mean implicitly scientific theory.
In short, there is no theory and Meyer admits that.
This was one of the main points in the Dover trial from a few years back, when Behe was trying to provide his advocacy for the ID side of the fence. In the end, he had to admit that his notion of science did not meet the standard definition and when pressed, also had to admit that if one used his definition, then concepts like Pyramid Power, Astrology and Magic Crystals would also have to be acknowledged as being 'science'.
Science is science and the scientific method has already been defined. If one has a concept that cannot reconcile against these established notions, then it is simply not science. No matter how they want to spin it.

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