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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I have never said nor implied nor thought nor felt that anybody is less than I because different than I But I said "treated" as less. You are supporting the ability of certain people to treat homosexuals as less than non-homosexuals, by refusing to serve them. I do not see how you can characterise that as anything other than treating them as less than you (as in "less than the person refusing to serve them"). That is certainly and absolutely how the person who has just been refused service will feel.
It just doesn't work that way. Sure it does. Take one for the team - say to yourself, "maybe the type of Christian morality which I have found will be offended, and I may feel uncomfortable about it, but I will bear my discomfort, and give joy, love and respect to my fellow human being, the big lug !"Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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I'm stating simple facts in a completely objective manner This is the kind of rampant dishonesty that makes people dislike you. Your "facts" are false and your "objectivity" requires your own invented definitions. "I'm being punished""No, here's the reasons why you're not" "Well, I consider it punishment." (╯□)╯︵ ┻━┻ You state your own personal considerations as if they were facts and then when you're shown to be wrong you just fall back on them being your opinion anyways. Stop it.
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And ya know what. I think it's finally hit me just how deeply hated I am here, I mean the rhetoric that has been coming against me is like sheer pure hate. You should try being honest instead.
Time to leave. Thank God! Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And ya know what. I think it's finally hit me just how deeply hated I am here, I mean the rhetoric that has been coming against me is like sheer pure hate. Funny it took so long for that to get through to me. In any case I finally get the message. Time to leave. Paul McCartney
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Interracial marriage is not opposed by Christian doctrine. Neither is selling cakes to gay couples.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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In my opinion no Christian here has expressed anything remotely along the lines of "hate rhetoric" etc. It is hate rhetoric each and every time you vocally support a political movement to take away the rights of homosexuals, which you have done repeatedly. Time and again, you have supported the idea that homosexuals should be discriminated against, segregated from heterosexuals, and treated as less than heterosexuals.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You'll lose your business licence for refusing to serve gay people or black people - the same as you'll lose your business licence for having cockroaches walking across the customers' plates. So we're going to have to take punishment for upholding the Biblical view that homosexuality as a sin and refusing to do anything that validates gay marriage. If you're "punished" for refusing to comply with community standards, at least every other religion (and atheists too) will be punished according to the same standards.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I think it's finally hit me just how deeply hated I am here....quote:Mirror, mirror, again.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined:
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Ha!
For your views of science you are looked upon with amusement, annoyance, pity, or disdain or some mix of those. For your views on how other people should be treated the feelings are probably stronger but hate is much to strong a word for any of it I would think. Disgust comes to mind. If anyone should manage to hate it would be sincere Christians whose religion you make look foolish to those who don't separate out the minority of Christians who tarnish the name from the majority who can actually think and do understand the message. But I think they might tend more to a mix of annoyance and pity than anything else.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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And ya know what. I think it's finally hit me just how deeply hated I am here, I mean the rhetoric that has been coming against me is like sheer pure hate. Funny it took so long for that to get through to me. In any case I finally get the message. Time to leave.
All you are is a self-righteous, pompous windbag, no one cares enough about you to hate you. I for one pity you. The thing you will find out about non-religious and also non-fundie religious people is it seems most of us don't resort to hate. We may disagree and we may disapprove and we may find behaviors disgusting, but rarely do we resort to hate. You threaten to leave every few months, you are like the boy who cried wolf. Leave already, all you do is humiliate yourself with your lame attempts at preaching.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Larni Member (Idle past 185 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I thought leading by love, tolerance and respect, leading by example, were supposed to be the christian things to do. For a lot of christian cults this is, apparently, not the case. Where on Earth did you get this idea? The source of all our knowledge about god's character (the Bible) tells us He wants the gays all dead. Leviticus 20:13 Not serving them bread is just a watered down version of this because a fundemental xian honestly believe being gay is against God and therefor evil. From a fundamentalist point of view it is perfectly logical to not want to be party to being being gay (even down to feeding them). Your point about xians now living in a world where their preferences are kowtowed to being over must really bother them. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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So hated and downtrodden you are that you are free to post messages containing nothing more than "IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT" and face ZERO repercussions. It must be so terrible being so oppressed.
Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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Larni Member (Idle past 185 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
The fundamentalist reply to that is:
"If you saw a young child convinced that it would be safe for them to run into a burning would you let them, knowing as you do the result of that action would be fiery death" Fundamentalist believe that will happen to sinners and how can they stand by and let that happen. Sin genuinely means fiery death to a fundamentalist for sinners and how can they stand by and let that happen. The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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No Faith, we hate the sin not the sinner.
(What's good for the goose.......)Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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If you've got a huge scimitar at my neck and tell me I won't lose my head if I just say that homosexuality isn't a sin and it's right for gays to marry I'll forfeit my head. Even though I find your philosophy lacking I would never take your head. I respect your intellect, if not your philosophy, and would not deprive this world of your views. You are very much an example of what our species has yet to overcome. And, in case you missed it (on purpose) you can label people different from you as sinners and evil all you want. You can shout it from the street corner and decry it on the TV, whatever trips your trigger. What you may not do anymore is actively interfere with peoples rights. Further, you may not overstep those bounds society places on bigoted conduct in the marketplace. This is no longer your society but is all of ours.
In my opinion no Christian here has expressed the slightest disrespect to homosexuals. Of course. You are blind to the fact that depriving a class of people those rights and privileges enjoyed freely by you and those of whom you approve is the very height of bigotry and disrespect, not just toward your targeted class but toward the entirety of the human condition. Others have responded to your other points. No need to add more of the same. But, I must admit to not having read the entirety of Tocqueville's tome which you have cited in this forum many times before. You like him. He and I parted ways many decades ago. It has been so long I cannot remember the details of those discussions in the student union but iirc they centered around Tocqueville's views on equality and liberty being different and some shit about inequality being good for a society. All I have left is my emotional remembrance of Tocqueville as a philosophical ass. Pretty much in keeping with my views on all philosophers. I do remember being in the minority with that view so I guess nothing much has changed. Still having no respect for philosophy as being good for anything but mental masturbation I don't think, regardless of any "history" expressed, I will revisit that rubbish. We all have our foibles.
My my, you do love YOUR rhetoric, don't you? Pretty good, isn't it? I do love my communications abilities. Not always, to be sure, but in most cases my penned articulations leave little room to question my intent. I am just so damn good. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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