Why is it....

Brian,
How do you debate against this,I hate those who cling to worthless idols; I trust in the Lord. I will be glad and rejoice in your love, for you say my affliction and knew the anguish of my sould. you have not handed me over to the emeny but have set my feet ina spacious place.
In class i hate learning about other relgions. other gods that aren't....real. In japan the idiolize a rock that is made by human hands. Yeah sure Buddah was a real "man" but he was no deliever. No God. these people that believe in these so called gods, their trapted. their traped into believing that these gods are real and that they can guid them and teach them.But no, there is one ONE, and ONE only and that is God.Forget the spelling mistakes, this has come off one of the posters on the board I use.
Like you have stated the more we Mocked him the stronger he said his beliefs were. Even when shown by the AiG site his claims about Darwin recanting were unfounded ( he did this in his second post)(sorry I shouldnt have said AiG had a forum) he still said he was right. ou just cant win against the like sof these, or can you.I will try to find some creo sites to have a chat on, get back to you tomorrow night. Thanks for the offer. Just thought it would be amusing preaching to the preachers.

My take... Yet the 2nd greatest commandment is to love others as you love yourself. What should I conclude about how you regard yourself if you openly hate others? Do you hate yourself? Which one? Krishna? Odin? Huitzilopochtli? There's lots o' lords out there y'know... Ummm.... what? What makes yours so special then? You see, we're not so different, you and I. Neither of us think that the endless lists of imaginary gods that people believe in are real. In that sense we are both atheists. I just don't make an arbitrary exception for the last one. Why does he need to be a deliverer? What is there to be delivered from except your own belief? Show him to me.The thing is, Bobby, ultimately you can't prove anything to those whose minds are already made up. In their minds, they know what they know, and they don't want to be confused with facts.I might suggest desisting with any mocking, however. I've found that generally it only makes people MORE resistant to facts since if they were to admit that you were correct, it would also seem to imply that your taunts had merit. That, coupled with the prospect of having to admit fault, can become and almost insurmountable emotional barrier. To that person, its usually easier to shut his eyes, stick his fingers in his ears and pretend the facts don't exist rather than demonstrate that there was an element of truth to your insulting claims. And since it is the truth that we should all be after, the easier you make it for a person to save face while admitting fault, the more likely they'll come to terms with the real truth.Just my humble opinion, of course...

quote:

---

As you are from the UK you should know that creationism does not have the same rabid follwing here as it does in the USA.

---

True and interesting.CREATION SCIENTISTS ANSWER BACK- bbc newshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/1979840.stm------------------
-chris

quote:

---

It seems to me that the xians are pushing there views into our places of education with little or no resistance from the atheist/evolutionist.

---

What's this "atheist/evolutionist" deal? Much of the resistence to creationist attempts to invade the classroom comes from Christian groups.

quote:

---

I come from the UK and I am thankful we do not have a prime minister like your president. Our prime minister may be a lap dog but he does not follow the faith like your president does.

---

Say what? You do come from the same UK that has Tony Blair as prime minister, don't you? The Tony Blair who's a devout Christian and who's been roundly criticized for commenting about his faith in public?

quote:

---

So why don't evo's reciprocate but do it in numbers. a group go to the xian site, like AiG, and tear down the lies they portray as the truth.

---

Exactly how do you plan to do that? How do you tear down something on somebody else's website?

quote:

---

I personally am getting sick to the back teeth of some xian coming on to a thread and posting the same guff about "Darwin recanting on his deathbed" and the other stupid things they post to back up their claims.

---

Well, yes, they are tiresome. But I also find atheists who haven't figured out that "Christian" is not the same as "creationist" and that not all evolutionists are atheists a little tiresome too.

SFS,Say what? You do come from the same UK that has Tony Blair as prime minister, don't you? The Tony Blair who's a devout Christian and who's been roundly criticized for commenting about his faith in public?With most politicians in Britain, IT IS A FRONT.
"Yeah, of course I am religious".
Unlike your president who actually believes the guff he spouts.Exactly how do you plan to do that? How do you tear down something on somebody else's website?You are not "targeting" xians, but the people who read these threads and sit on the fence. The ones who, like me, were looking for answers and could not find them, the ones in the dark.
Through non abusive debate on xian sites you get to put across the atheist/evo point of view, they then can make up their own minds which side of the fence to sit. The chances are you will NOT convert an xian but you will be able to answer the questions most atheists seem to ask. Without them having to actually ask them and feel foolish about.

Bobbybob writes:

quote:

---

With most politicians in Britain, IT IS A FRONT.

---

Um, evidence?

quote:

---

the atheist/evo

---

One parboiled second there:Since when did evolution come to be a synonym for atheism?Even the Pope agrees that evolution is the only valid scientific theory we have for the diversification of life on this planet. I'm not saying you need to agree with the Pope's theology, but surely you aren't claiming that the Pope is an atheist, are you?

quote:

---

The chances are you will NOT convert an xian

---

What reason would a person who believes in religious freedom have for converting anybody?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
With most politicians in Britain, IT IS A FRONT.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Um, evidence?Prove me otherwise. Thou shalt not kill but it is okay to send men to iraq to die.
This man could not lie straight in bed.
In England they now whole heartedly embrace "spin". Just because he "goes" to church for special occasions (too busy any other time, convenient What!) doesn't make him a xian.Since when did evolution come to be a synonym for atheism?I am new to this debating lark, I use EVO/ATHEIST because in all the debates I have had they tend to follow the same tenets, in my opinion.
If I am wrong to do this then I apologise and if so what should I put?What reason would a person who believes in religious freedom have for converting anybody?Not trying to convert anybody, just out to show people a different point of view which they may or may not know about. If Convert was the wrong word then again I apologise.

Thread copied to the Why is it.... thread in the Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.