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AZPaul3
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Message 46 of 206 (721950)
03-13-2014 9:02 PM
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03-13-2014 4:45 PM


Re: Great Job
Do you really want them to come away with the impression that the Big Bang was just like an explosion, or that the Moon formed exactly like they showed it?
If it piques their interest instead of giving them glassy eyes from difficult details then yes, of course. If they develop the wonder then the details will not repel them when they can grasp the deeper stuff.
Also, being treated like a 12 year old is why I find it hard to enjoy the show . . .
Then don't watch it alone. Find a kid somewhere, anywhere. Watch their brains churn. And be ready to answer questions.
"Well, it wasn't an explosion like a bomb or anything, but it was kinda like that, yeah. Cool pictures." Be infectious.

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Message 47 of 206 (721980)
03-14-2014 10:56 AM
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03-13-2014 9:02 PM


Re: Great Job
Then don't watch it alone. Find a kid somewhere, anywhere. Watch their brains churn. And be ready to answer questions.
"Well, it wasn't an explosion like a bomb or anything, but it was kinda like that, yeah. Cool pictures." Be infectious.
You are trying to land me in jail!! I think I will leave the kids with their parents.
My point is that if you have to correct a science show at every step, it isn't a very good science show.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 48 of 206 (721981)
03-14-2014 11:04 AM
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03-14-2014 10:56 AM


Re: Great Job
Then don't watch it alone. Find a kid somewhere, anywhere. Watch their brains churn. And be ready to answer questions.
"Well, it wasn't an explosion like a bomb or anything, but it was kinda like that, yeah. Cool pictures." Be infectious.
You are trying to land me in jail!! I think I will leave the kids with their parents.

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Message 49 of 206 (721992)
03-14-2014 12:20 PM
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03-13-2014 9:02 PM


Re: Great Job
AZPaul3 writes:
Then don't watch it alone. Find a kid somewhere, anywhere. Watch their brains churn. And be ready to answer questions.
My grandson is 9, and this seemed like a great idea at first, but then I recalled what shows grab his attention and which don't and figured it was a long shot. Still, I'll record it again and give it a try, will post a note about how it goes.
--Percy

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Message 50 of 206 (722044)
03-14-2014 3:40 PM
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03-14-2014 10:56 AM


Re: Great Job
My point is that if you have to correct a science show at every step, it isn't a very good science show.
OK, Uncle Harry. Watch it alone and be disappointed in the general nature lacking a level of detail that you would prefer. For you this will not be a "good" science show.
I haven't been 12, 14, 16 in quite a few years, but to me this first episode, establishing a tone and setting the general direction, matches well the intellectual level of the target audience. From this first episode, with it's graphics, pace and level of detail, the series has taken the first step toward being a "very good" science show indeed.

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Message 51 of 206 (722046)
03-14-2014 4:44 PM
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03-14-2014 3:40 PM


target audience?
Keeping in mind that the average american is undereducated in science, to the point where ~1/4 think the sun orbits the earth.

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Message 52 of 206 (722051)
03-14-2014 5:42 PM
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Re: Great Job
OK, Uncle Harry. Watch it alone and be disappointed in the general nature lacking a level of detail that you would prefer. For you this will not be a "good" science show.
I am beginning to think that I could record it, edit out all of the commercials, and then replace the sound track with Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon". I think I could really enjoy that.

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Message 53 of 206 (722056)
03-14-2014 6:44 PM
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03-14-2014 5:42 PM


Re: Great Job
I am beginning to think that I could record it, edit out all of the commercials, and then replace the sound track with Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon". I think I could really enjoy that.
Episode 9 of the original series include a portion of Pink Floyd's cut 'One of These Days', so what you suggest is not unprecedented.

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Message 54 of 206 (722057)
03-14-2014 7:04 PM
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Re: Great Job
Add some LSD and see if you get the same effect that Wizard of Oz supposedly has. I am sure some Feynman lectures work this way.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 55 of 206 (722058)
03-14-2014 8:03 PM
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03-14-2014 5:42 PM


Re: Great Job
replace the sound track with Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon". I think I could really enjoy that.
Only if you put it up on EvC to share with the rest of us.

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Message 56 of 206 (722073)
03-15-2014 8:59 AM
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03-14-2014 7:04 PM


Re: Great Job
hooah writes:
Add some LSD and see if you get the same effect that Wizard of Oz supposedly has. I am sure some Feynman lectures work this way.
Everything works that way.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 57 of 206 (722182)
03-17-2014 5:06 PM
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Re: Great Job
Add some LSD and see if you get the same effect that Wizard of Oz supposedly has. I am sure some Feynman lectures work this way.
PCR, dude . . .
"Would I have invented PCR if I hadn’t taken LSD? I seriously doubt it. I could sit on a DNA molecule and watch the polymers go by. I learnt that partly on psychedelic drugs."--Dr. Kary Mullis, won the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR).

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Message 58 of 206 (722184)
03-17-2014 6:38 PM
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Episode 2
Watched the second episode last night, and found it more pedestrian than the first. I liked what he did with the wolves using the evidence from the Russian silver fox experiments.
The graphics for the genetic stuff was entertaining, but Titan seemed a bit of a non-sequitur.

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Message 59 of 206 (722209)
03-18-2014 12:14 PM
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03-13-2014 9:02 PM


Re: Great Job
Well I tried watching episode 1 with my 10 year old and 8 year old girls. Both immediately wanted to bail.
I told them they have to give it a try and watch it for at least 10 minutes.
They then proceeded to ask me every other minute it 10 minutes was up.
So I watched it alone. I liked it.

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Message 60 of 206 (722221)
03-18-2014 5:14 PM
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Re: Great Job
Well I tried watching episode 1 with my 10 year old and 8 year old girls. Both immediately wanted to bail.
By all means, don't torture them with the show and maybe the will come around eventually. Both of my kids were in their teens before I could interest them in astronomy and the interest stuck only with one of the two. I call that a success.
Glad to see there were no spoilers here. I'm going to watch the show in a few minutes.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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