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Author Topic:   What Does Critical Thinking Mean To You?
ringo
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Message 9 of 339 (721817)
03-12-2014 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Taq
03-12-2014 11:38 AM


Taq writes:
For me, critical thinking means that you try as hard as you can to disprove your own ideas.
Yes, the most important criticism is self-criticism. It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.

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ringo
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Message 40 of 339 (721928)
03-13-2014 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Taq
03-13-2014 12:56 PM


Re: Why Walk Away?
Taq writes:
If you were telling your friends that you had fallen in love with a woman that no one but you could see, then we would rightly question your critical thinking skills.
When you're in love, critical thinking is pretty much out the window anyway. There are some situations where critical thinking just isn't very useful.
(That probably applies equally to falling in love with God.)

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ringo
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Message 59 of 339 (721985)
03-14-2014 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Faith
03-14-2014 2:06 AM


Re: Blanche DuBois
Faith writes:
Again, the sad thing is that there is no route to a knowledge of salvation through Christ by any means other than the Bible.
That is indeed sad, which prompts some of us to think critically about it. Would a God really create such a sad situation? Or maybe some humans just like to create sad situations and blame them on God.

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ringo
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Message 66 of 339 (721993)
03-14-2014 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Taq
03-14-2014 12:16 PM


Re: Subjective Experiences
Taq writes:
I would think that critical thinking involves a narrowing down of methods and evidence to find what is valid and what is not.
We need to be critical of the method itself.

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ringo
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Message 71 of 339 (721999)
03-14-2014 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Phat
03-14-2014 12:24 PM


Re: Psychosis or Spiritual War?
Phat writes:
I dont believe that believers are psychotic, by definition.
The definition of psychotic or the definition of belief?

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ringo
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Message 77 of 339 (722005)
03-14-2014 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Phat
03-14-2014 12:25 PM


Re: Subjective Experiences
Phat writes:
One mans validity is another mans delusion.
How do we arrive at consensus on what is valid?
You answered your own question: Consensus decides what is valid. Consensus is a requirement for objectivity (although consensus doesn't necessarily indicate objectivity). If there was any consensus about a delusion it wouldn't be a delusion.

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Message 80 of 339 (722008)
03-14-2014 12:49 PM
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03-14-2014 12:36 PM


Re: Psychosis or Spiritual War?
Phat writes:
the definition of belief as a psychosis.
I don't think anybody is seriously defining belief as a psychosis. There may well be a correlation between the two though.

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Message 82 of 339 (722011)
03-14-2014 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
03-14-2014 12:46 PM


Re: Evaluating Our Experiences
Faith writes:
The clue is the kneejerk certainty.
Critical thinking is the exact opposite of kneejerk certainty. Critical thinking means deliberately deciding what every move of your knee should be - and after you've moved it wondering if you got it wrong.
If you could ever admit that the Bible might be wrong, your knee might not jerk so much.

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ringo
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Message 97 of 339 (722083)
03-15-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Faith
03-14-2014 1:19 PM


Re: Evaluating Our Experiences
Faith writes:
ringo writes:
Critical thinking is the exact opposite of kneejerk certainty.
Which was my point. That it's the debunkers like you who have the kneejerk certainty.
You ignored the other half of my post:
quote:
If you could ever admit that the Bible might be wrong, your knee might not jerk so much.
You're the one who clearly exhibits the kneejerk certainty. You're absolutely certain that you're right about everything.

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Message 99 of 339 (722089)
03-15-2014 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
03-15-2014 12:22 PM


Re: Evaluating Our Experiences
Faith writes:
If there IS no evidence but stories, it's stupid to dismiss the stories, it's all you've got.
Indeed, Treasure Island is the only evidence we have that Long John Silver ever existed. Otherwise, we'd think he was just an imaginary character.

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ringo
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Message 104 of 339 (722095)
03-15-2014 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Phat
03-15-2014 12:32 PM


Re: Evaluating Our Experiences
Phat writes:
The demons usually cant bother us as much if we stay busy.
Phat writes:
Long John Silver existed in the imagination of the author. The author created him.
What would be the difference (critically-thinking-wise) between imagining Long John Silver and imagining God?

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ringo
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Message 108 of 339 (722099)
03-15-2014 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
03-15-2014 12:49 PM


Re: God versus Long John Silver
Phat writes:
God is not only in 66 books Biblewise, but is also described differently by other religions.
So, critically-thinking-wise, how do you choose one "image" of God over the many others?

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ringo
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Message 111 of 339 (722102)
03-15-2014 1:19 PM
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03-15-2014 1:08 PM


Re: God versus Long John Silver
Phat writes:
I would choose the one whom I am most familiar with, based on the worldview that I grew up in.
Doesn't critical thinking require you to get familiar with the other options before making a choice?

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ringo
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Message 131 of 339 (722131)
03-16-2014 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Phat
03-15-2014 1:26 PM


Re: God versus Long John Silver
Phat writes:
Too much critical thought prevents one from accepting anything.
So, is it more important to accept something (anything?) than to make an intelligent, informed (critical) decision? Is it better to take a bad position than to take no position at all?

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ringo
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Message 135 of 339 (722155)
03-17-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
03-16-2014 11:36 PM


Re: God versus Long John Silver
Phat writes:
not every decision can be examined critically before it is made. Some decisions only have an impact after they are made.
You cant realize that you should have turned right unless you turn left and notice that the terrain is unfamiliar. Sitting at the fork in the road gives no insight into the terrain ahead.
That's fine, as long as you're willing to unmake those decisions if they turn out to be bad ones. If you make a wrong turn, you can keep telling yourself, "It's just over the next hill," or you can admit you were wrong.
It seems to me that religions put a lot of effort into making excuses for staying on the wrong road.

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