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Author Topic:   Love is Greater than God
Stile
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Message 33 of 38 (721617)
03-10-2014 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
03-09-2014 3:46 PM


Re: Love and God
Phat writes:
It is my belief that love..in its purest sense...is impossible without God.
Could be. But doesn't seem so.
Neither of us can prove it either way... You may suggest that people can love without being religious but my contention is that God....by loving the world(all of us) allowed His Spirit to be present and available. Agape Love is Jesus. Jesus=truth, Jesus=Love. There is no redundancy.
Actually, I can prove it. You see, "love" exists in this world. And we can see the results of that love. Loving couples/families/friends... staying together forever... doing anything and everything for each other. These things are real and their real results can be seen and witnessed and recorded and reviewed.
So, what do we see when we review "love?"
We see that there are no barriers for love.
We see that Christians love.
We see that Hindus love.
We see that atheists love.
We see that homosexuals love.
We see that Killer Whales love.
And... we see that no one has some sort of "extra leg up" on the concept of love or it's results.
Not Christians over others.
Not those-who-belief-in-God over those-who-do-not
Not even humans over animals...
Therefore, the only conclusion is one of two things:
  • God does not exist and therefore has no impact on love
  • God either does not care about love, or He makes sure it doesn't matter if you care about God in order to experience love
Whatever way it is... we know from the results that God is a non-factor in love.
And, since love obviously is a factor in our lives from it's results... Love > God.
As long as I am being opinionated, I might add that humans may deny God and take credit for the love that they have...but that ...again...it is human nature to seek to elevate self over God.
Denying God doesn't necessarily mean you elevate yourself in His stead.
Your God-or-Selfish dichotomy is not real in any way. And it's very simple and easy to show that it is false:
You may very easily elevate "Love" in God's stead.
There. Obliterated your false dichotomy in under 10 words. All you had to do was think about it for a second.
My contention? It is impossible to love without the reality of Gods Spirit---though people can and do deny the existence.
That's possible. But not what the evidence proves.
In fact, it's explicitly contrary to what the evidence proves.
You may, quite validly, ignore the evidence and continue to make this claim.
But, if you're going to be honest you must acknowledge two things:
  1. You are going against the available evidence
  2. When trying to determine the reality of matters, the best method humans have ever devised is to follow the evidence
Does this mean that animals also have the Spirit? Yes...In Him is light and that light is the life of men.
Sure. Although this does sound like something someone would say just to appease their own doubts...
Why is a Spirit necessary? Why can't animals just "love" things because they're alive and have brains? Does such a concept that-really-has-nothing-to-do-with-you actually damage your sense of the-way-things-are that much?
I'm just stating how I feel.
Nothing wrong with that.
Edited by Stile, : That their is an edit, over they're.

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