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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Normally in science, a chance of 1 in 20 is taken as not te be coincidence anymore, for instance in testing medication. The odds of winning the Powerball lottery is 1 in 150 million, yet people win it all of the time.
So after six years of brooding on the codes, and after calling in the worlds foremost expert on statistics who delved into it, and who couldn't find a flaw, it was published. The flaw is that it commits the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. These combinations of letters were not predicted before hand.
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Normally in science, a chance of 1 in 20 is taken as not te be coincidence anymore, for instance in testing medication. The odds of winning the Powerball lottery is 1 in 150 million, yet people win it all of the time. Bs'd Your point being?
So after six years of brooding on the codes, and after calling in the worlds foremost expert on statistics who delved into it, and who couldn't find a flaw, it was published. The flaw is that it commits the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. These combinations of letters were not predicted before hand. Isn't that weird, that something with a so obvious fallacy, passes through six years of peer review, by the worlds best statisticians? Those combinations were of course predicted in advance."The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
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Edited by Eliyahu, : Dubbel"The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
However, like I said, for the Great Rabbi's Experiment, a maximum chance of 1 in 1000 was demanded for publication, and a chance of less than 1 in 50,000 was delivered. . . . This in contradistinction to the Torah codes, which are statistically highly significant. quote: There are three major problems with you great rabbis code fiasco. - Any text of similar size yields similar word clusters as the torah. - The probabilities you quote are based on methods not accepted by the mathematical community and are bogus. - The very nature of Hebrew left lots of wiggle room in designing the word searches. If you don't find enough clusters of one spelling then add in the clusters for another, and yet a third. That's just in data and methods. Now, let's talk real science. In trying to repeat this great rabbis fabrication using actual accepted mathematical standards the p values (significance) fall well below 1 in 5 let alone 1 in 1000 or your bogus 1 in 50,000.
quote: And here is something else for you to consider. For these codes to be the true ciphers of your god they would only work if the masoretic text of today were infallible, letter by letter, to the original. You do realize that all scholars recognize that today's torah is not letter-for-letter perfect from the original despite your clumsy attempt to show otherwise. A quick look at the Qumran texts (the dead sea scrolls dated out to 400 BCE) shows this quite clearly. Based on this alone your "divine signature" is shown to be a forgery. Your bible codes are bunk, always have been bunk, always will be bunk. There is nothing you can do to change this.
sourcesource source And just for jollies, a religious argument against your asinine codes. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : corrected error
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Normally in science, a chance of 1 in 20 is taken as not te be coincidence anymore, for instance in testing medication. The odds of winning the Powerball lottery is 1 in 150 million, yet people win it all of the time. Bs'd Your point being?
So after six years of brooding on the codes, and after calling in the worlds foremost expert on statistics who delved into it, and who couldn't find a flaw, it was published. The flaw is that it commits the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. These combinations of letters were not predicted before hand. Isn't that weird, that something with a so obvious fallacy, passes through six years of peer review, by the worlds best statisticians? Those combinations were of course predicted in advance."The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
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Dr Rips, professor at the Hebrew University Jerusalem, one of the best mathematicians in the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvkIm9oa8I"The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
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Harold Gans, senior code breaker at the NSA for 28 years: Harold Gans - MountZion"The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics |
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
There are three major problems with you great rabbis code fiasco. - Any text of similar size yields similar word clusters as the torah. Bs'd But not with any statistical significance.
- The probabilities you quote are based on methods not accepted by the mathematical community and are bogus. Then explain why something with a so obvious fallacy passes through six years of peer review by the worlds best statisticians and was then published in Statistical Science.
- The very nature of Hebrew left lots of wiggle room in designing the word searches. If you don't find enough clusters of one spelling then add in the clusters for another, and yet a third. The data was fixed in advance by a third party expert before the experiment began.
That's just in data and methods. Now, let's talk real science. In trying to repeat this great rabbis fabrication using actual accepted mathematical standards the p values (significance) fall well below 1 in 5 let alone 1 in 1000 or your bogus 1 in 50,000. Now THAT is bogus.
quote:Because minor variations in data definitions and the procedures used by Witztum et al. produce much less striking results, there is good reason to think that the particular forms of words those authors chose effectively "tuned" their method to their data, thus invalidating their statistical test. This is refuted in a peer reviewed publication presented at the 18th International Congres for Pattern Recognition in 2006
And here is something else for you to consider. For these codes to be the true ciphers of your god they would only work if the masoretic text of today were infallible, letter by letter, to the original. A very big mistake. If the text is corrupted, letter by letter, then some codes will disappear, others will not. Just look at the codes spelling "Torah", or the Esther codes which are in Genesis, corruption of all four books following Genesis will not affect those codes. When the text degenerates, slowly slowly the codes will start to disappear, but not all at once when a single letter is left out of the Torah. Edited by Eliyahu, : No reason given. Edited by Eliyahu, : 2005 was 2006"The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Dr Rips, professor at the Hebrew University Jerusalem, one of the best mathematicians in the world Dr. Fred Hoyle, one of the most outstanding, brilliant, prolific scientists in his time, went off the deep end late in his life, too. Being best does not make all your pronouncements truth, especially when the rest of your colleagues have shown you where you erred. A few years ago an entire team of equally brilliant egg-heads as your Dr. Rips announced they may have found superluminal neutrinos. Being brilliant does not mean you are not wrong.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Isn't that weird, that something with a so obvious fallacy, passes through six years of peer review, by the worlds best statisticians? How did you rank the world's statisticians, what with you knowing bugger-all about statistics?
Those combinations were of course predicted in advance. That would either be a huge retarded lie, or something for which you have evidence. And so far I've not seen any evidence.
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Those combinations were of course predicted in advance. That would either be a huge retarded lie, or something for which you have evidence. And so far I've not seen any evidence. Bs'd Look into the Great Rabbis Experiment and you'll see."The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
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Edited by Eliyahu, : Double"The only reality is mind and observations." Richard Conn Henry, professor Johns Hopkin department of physics
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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This is refuted in a peer reviewed publication presented at the 18th International Congres for Pattern Recognition in 2006 Show me.
Then explain why something with a so obvious fallacy passes through six years of peer review by the worlds best statisticians and was then published in Statistical Science. Here's a hint.
quote: source Edited by AZPaul3, : Added second topic Edited by AZPaul3, : added bold. I'll stop now.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Your point being? Occurences with improbable odds occur every second of our day, and they are the product of very mundane processes, not divine ones.
Isn't that weird, that something with a so obvious fallacy, passes through six years of peer review, by the worlds best statisticians? Isn't it weird that the world's best statisticians say that their probabilities are invalid?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Your great Rabbi's experiment has been debunked. In the same journal it was originally in.
quote: Source The source also has links to the paper and all supporting data. Alas, I am sure you will just ignore anything that does not agree with you. Oh yeah, this was debunked 15 years ago. So what is it ignorance or deceit?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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