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hooah212002
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Message 61 of 82 (720348)
02-21-2014 10:43 PM
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02-21-2014 7:15 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to pay our final respects and to say farewell to our dear friend, Commander John Crichton. A schmuck. Muleheaded, reckless, and probably brain-dead before I met him.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 62 of 82 (720370)
02-22-2014 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by hooah212002
02-21-2014 10:43 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
Your humor is sadly off topic. Lets steer it back to Pope Francis...Saint or Sinner he may be.

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Message 63 of 82 (720374)
02-22-2014 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by dadman
02-21-2014 7:15 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
a substitute Christ ??
No, the pope is not considered a substitute for Christ. That is the doctrine of fundy Catholic haters.
We all know full well what verses the Catholic Church interprets and perhaps misinterprets as providing for the office of pope. At most the pope serves the office given to Peter and not the one held by Christ.
I had some faint hope that there something more than the typical fundy screed was behind the OP which is why I pressed for you to get on with your discussion.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 64 of 82 (720380)
02-22-2014 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by dadman
02-20-2014 11:57 AM


Re: What About Francis?
I just believe the scripture ... I'm not sure what camp that places me in ....
In my experience, either hopelessly naive or completely disingenuous.
KP

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hooah212002
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Message 65 of 82 (720384)
02-22-2014 1:25 PM
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02-22-2014 10:42 AM


Re: only one body of Christ
You don't even pretend to hide your ignorance and bias, do you?
Edited by hooah212002, : i don't give a shit about being banned if you let trolls fun amuck in this place. it's no longer the EvC it once was.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Faith 
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Message 66 of 82 (720385)
02-22-2014 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by NoNukes
02-22-2014 11:13 AM


Re: only one body of Christ
There are many statements in RCC official doctrine to the effect that the Pope stands in the place of God, others specifically saying Christ.

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Message 67 of 82 (720387)
02-22-2014 2:16 PM
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02-22-2014 1:40 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
There are many statements in RCC official doctrine to the effect that the Pope stands in the place of God, others specifically saying Christ
For example?

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dadman
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Message 68 of 82 (720390)
02-22-2014 2:20 PM
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02-22-2014 1:25 PM


there is only one Christ .. no rep / substitute needed
Vicar of Christ (from Latin Vicarius Christi) is a term used in different ways .. with different theological connotations throughout history .. As the original notion a vicar is of >> earthly representative of God or Christ << but also used in sense of "person acting as parish priest in place of a real parson" The title is now used in Catholicism to refer to the bishops and more specifically to the Bishop of Rome (the pope) CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Vicar of Christ
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AdminPhat
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Message 69 of 82 (720395)
02-22-2014 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by hooah212002
02-22-2014 1:25 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
You don't even pretend to hide your ignorance and bias, do you?
Nor do you hide your lack of respect. EvC is never the way it "once was"...it changes. My hope is that you can change also.
Any discussion on this can start here.
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Edited by AdminPhat, : clarity
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dadman
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Message 70 of 82 (720403)
02-22-2014 6:56 PM
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02-22-2014 3:23 PM


only one body of Christ
Any discussion on this can start here
yeah well you just go start that discussion over there
Matthew 16:18-20 I also say to you that you are Peter .. and upon this rock I will build my church .. and the gates of Hades will not overpower it .. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven .. and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven .. and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven .. then he warned the disciples that they should tell no one that he was the Christ
Jesus is the son of God .. the foundation stone of the church .. he died for the sin of the world .. arose for the justification of the believer and is coming back in glory to reward his own .. the cross of Calvary was God’s program for him .. essential for the salvation of men and all attempts to turn him from it were Satan-inspired (as are all denials of its necessity today) . . . . v 17-18 Jesus does not here infer that the church was to be built upon Peter but upon himself .. as just confessed by Peter v 16 .. cf 1 Peter 2:4-9 .. In the Greek .. the word Petra is in feminine form .. denoting that the reference was not to Peter .. but to his confession .. the deity of Christ is the foundation doctrine of Christianity
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Edited by AdminPhat, : removed spam...reminded dadman to stop spamming off topic.

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Phat
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Message 71 of 82 (720417)
02-23-2014 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by dadman
02-22-2014 6:56 PM


The Grateful Dad
You are a bit of a troll but I like that you back up your claims with references. I know all about eschatology and studied the same stuff that you do fifteen years ago. I might learn something from you though...who knows?
Tell me though. Is it possible that you might be influenced by those whom teach you? Also....do you bother studying the counter arguments that critics raise or are you turning a blind eye to that?
By the way...what does this have to do with Pope Francis? Steer this back on topic.
Also....lets tone down advertising your forum. I allow it in your signature but will edit your posts.
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dadman
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Message 72 of 82 (720430)
02-23-2014 11:25 AM
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02-23-2014 5:43 AM


back to the pope
By the way...what does this have to do with Pope Francis? Steer this back on topic
the only information I can share will be when it comes available .. "time will tell" .... if you follow the link I posted @ OP .. I have plenty of information inorder to view this issue thru the grid of God's word .. vs the other way around . . . . at this time I am simply displaying perspectives .. if you notice the first word in my OP is the word .. "If" .... time will tell
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Message 73 of 82 (720433)
02-23-2014 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by dadman
02-23-2014 11:25 AM


Re: back to the pope
Sorry...you seem to be here only to advertise your forum. I started out wanting to give you a chance but I will warn you with a one day suspension. Forum Guidelines
Note to members: I still believe that new members should be given a chance. My hope is that dadman can earn a place at our forum...that is the best advertisement he could give us for his forum.
No other spam will be tolerated.

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Stile
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Message 74 of 82 (720490)
02-24-2014 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by dadman
02-21-2014 7:15 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
dadman writes:
because the actual body of Christ has no pope / human leader (substitute) as does the one-world-religion
Stile writes:
Your theology has no human leader?
really ?? .. do you not realize what the pope is to the catholic church ??
Of course I do.
That's why I didn't ask you about who the human leader is for the Catholic Church, it's the Pope.
I asked whether or not your theology has a human leader.
Well, does it?
If you're trying to say that the human leader for the Catholic Church is "a larger scope" than the human leader for your theology... I would agree.
I would also point out that you still both have leaders. In which case... neither of you are the "actual body of Christ" according to your own statements. Sort of a "take the beam out of your own eye first" kind of lesson.

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Message 75 of 82 (720498)
02-24-2014 12:32 PM
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02-24-2014 11:00 AM


Re: only one body of Christ
I'm not sure I completely get what dadman is saying by "human leader" but I'd have to assume he's thinking of the Pope's being considered "the head of the Church." But that's Christ's own title, given twice in the New Testament, and we are to understand that He is the only head of the Church, our only leader, Lord and master and that we have no other leader. Ministers are not leaders in the sense that the Pope is considered to be a leader, but that sense is a sense in which he is usurping the role of Jesus Christ as head of the Church.

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