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Topic: Super novae
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3632 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 1 of 11 (720088)
02-19-2014 10:34 PM
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Since we now know that the heavier elements that are so necessary for life are formed when stars explode, and that stars only explode after billions of years of existence, how can creationists justify their belief that all that we see was made 6000 or so years ago?
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Admin
Director Posts: 13092 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002
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Message 2 of 11 (720090)
02-20-2014 9:33 AM
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Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Super novae thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22806 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 3 of 11 (720091)
02-20-2014 9:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
02-19-2014 10:34 PM
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The larger the star the shorter its lifetime. I think the largest stars have lifetimes as short as 10 or 20 million years. Still, not a point in favor of the creationist viewpoint. I think a Young Earth Creationist would respond that God created all the elements around 6000 years ago. --Percy
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Dr Adequate
Member Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 4 of 11 (720146)
02-20-2014 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
02-19-2014 10:34 PM
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Well, Percy's right. You might as well say: "Since we now know that humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor, and that the genetic differences between them would take millions of years to accumulate how can creationists justify their belief that all that we see was made 6000 or so years ago?" But creationists don't know that. We do, they don't. They think that the human and chimp genomes were made by magic, and the same with the heavier elements.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10228 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 5 of 11 (720156)
02-20-2014 1:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
02-19-2014 10:34 PM
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Since we now know that the heavier elements that are so necessary for life are formed when stars explode, and that stars only explode after billions of years of existence, how can creationists justify their belief that all that we see was made 6000 or so years ago? Their justification is that their beliefs trump evidence, reason, and logic.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8630 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 6 of 11 (720160)
02-20-2014 3:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
02-19-2014 10:34 PM
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Don't give me "facts"!
... how can creationists justify their belief that all that we see was made 6000 or so years ago? Quite easily. It says so in (my interpretation of) my chosen version of the bible so your ungodly satanic atheistic science has to be wrong. QED
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2271 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 7 of 11 (720164)
02-20-2014 3:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Taq
02-20-2014 1:48 PM
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Fixed it for you
Their justification delusion is that their beliefs trump evidence, reason, and logic. Fixed it for you.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1669 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 8 of 11 (720165)
02-20-2014 3:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
02-19-2014 10:34 PM
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Two words:
last thursdayism
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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NoNukes
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Message 9 of 11 (720175)
02-20-2014 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
02-19-2014 10:34 PM
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how can creationists justify their belief that all that we see was made 6000 or so years ago? That's easy. First you call the person asking the question a secular materialistic, atheist, liar and then you ask him what a super nova smells like. Next you point out that he could not possibly know how stars age and explode in the early universe because he was not there. To complete the recipe, you read a couple of verses of Genesis into the record.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3632 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 10 of 11 (720190)
02-20-2014 5:49 PM
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Thanks, gentlemen ...
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Stile
Member (Idle past 209 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Message 11 of 11 (720244)
02-21-2014 8:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by faitheist
02-20-2014 5:49 PM
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Don't take it personally. It's just the sort of question that's a very common theme all over the forums here. Kind of like walking into a bar and asking "what is this beer you speak of?" It may very well be a fine question to those who don't know... but there's going to be a few snickers from those who deal with it all the time. It's just how things go.
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