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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I'd like to see the arguments and who they are being presented too, I find it unusual that creationists are seeking a political solution to this issue don't you? As long as our freedom is not curtailed to believe and educate our young, which is clearly what you are trying to have politically removed from us, is that correct, hopefully you will answer me honestly. The US constitution provides specifically for separation of church and state and explicitly states that no one religion or religious view shall be "established" or endorsed by any public function. This includes public schools but does restrict private schools. This preserves all our freedoms. People who want to teach their children delusional ideas are free to do so via home schooling or a private school if that suits their beliefs. Belief cannot be enforced by legislation. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So the forum is evolution verses creation, and you need me to explain what is meant by creation and what I believe it to be in order to get a thread up here, wow. The idea is simple: if you are going to argue a position -- no matter what it is -- in a thread, that your position needs to be stated. That defines what you are going to defend in the thread. So far you have been given a lot of latitude to just make random statements of highly questionable value. When you start a thread you need to rise up to a higher intellectual standard of quality and defend it with substance. Good luck by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Kind of like only a chosen few can decide what's good for us and what's truth and what isn't, like the dark ages? Not really, the criteria is not what people think, it is what is supported by the evidence and that the scientific process can be replicated and reviewed and tested and that the result is validated concepts. It is the process that makes science work, not the people, not their beliefs. So no, not at all like the dark ages of knowledge suppression by religious dictatorships It seems to me that many religious people cannot fathom this distinction, because they seems to only know one way of thinking: dictation by authority. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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We'll the bible is yec, which is why I don't get the popes mates advocating for theistic evolution. And that should be a clue that your premise that the bible is yec is false. There are many christians that follow the bible but are not yec, and cover the rest of the field of creationism from old earth creationist to theistic creationist. And this should also be a clue that the problem is not between the bible and science but the yec views and science. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I understand how you would like me to behave but the undertone of many responses is very subjective and non scientific and a personal attack. A couple of years ago you would have experienced a lot of reprimands for language and personal attacks -- you have been allowed a LOT of leeway to bare your soul ... and the picture was not pretty. You benefit from relaxed enforcement in an effort to encourage more creationist participation. My opinion is that bending over backwards does not help when what is desired is creationists that debate with substance, arbuments supported by evidence rather than just assertions based on fantasy. I find it curious that creationists will claim a superior morality based on their beliefs but fail to exhibit model behavior. So it is not so much that I want you to behave according to my standards but that I expect you to behave according to your standards of good behavior -- you are an ambassador for your beliefs. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You deny insulting my intellect, tisk tisk, it is what you guys do all day long, you claim some intellectual academic higher ground that doesn't exist any more than any moral high ground exists. I have said undereducated ignorant -- which just means that you don't know -- and that leaves you intellectually stunted, but it does not say you are incapable of learning, that is a choice you make: learn or remain ignorant. Curiously I don't see wanting to be ignorant as a good thing, not for any one person, and certainly not for a nation. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes I was here few years ago and that has changed ... So you know you have been given a lot of latitude.
... but the anti creationist anti Christ vibe and attitude of the members is the same, mate ... which is not anti-Christian but against arguments that are demonstrably anti-fact and anti-reality like most of yec beliefs ... not all Christians are yec, so your claim is not valid.
... if you insult people you get insulted back it's rather pathetic to accuse me for being the instigator of insults and adhom. And yet all one needs to do is review your first posts ... as jaf by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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In brief, "creationism" in general, and "Young Earth Creationism (YEC)" in particular are BAD for the US because it involves wrong and misleading information and that interferes with scientific literacy.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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To be more specific:
These points have been argued on several threads on this forum, and to date, not one has been refuted by any fundamentalist believer by any argument that stands up to scientific evaluation. Science does not "prove" theories, but it does disprove false beliefs.
Continued belief of falsehoods in spite of invalidating evidence is delusion, and it interferes with scientific literacy when people try to refute the scientific facts with ad hoc and other specious arguments based on their false beliefs, fantasies, or their imagination. This is dangerous because it leads to denial of science in general. For a specific example the denial of the climate crisis we are facing. See original post, Message 1, for reference. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Bible believers do not worship the Bible, we treat it as the source of information about God and His doings on this Earth, having no other source of information about any of that. ... Except, of course, the mountains of evidence of reality as uncovered by science, such as the evidence for the over 4.5 billion year age of the earth, the evidence of all life evolving over 3.5 billion years from single cell life forms, or the evidence of many local floods but the absence of any evidence supporting a global flood.
... And Creationism takes many forms, especially since the Bible doesn't give much information, ... Or in other words, open to interpretation of what is real and what is fantasy. The trouble comes when these interpretations are falsified by objective empirical evidence of reality (whether due to "God and His doings on this Earth" or natural causes). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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