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roxrkool
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Message 1060 of 1896 (715768)
01-09-2014 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1053 by Faith
01-08-2014 8:11 PM


Re: Flood Limestone Romance
Erosion does not flatten things. That is NONSENSE.
Of course it does.
Rivers carve when base level is below the elevation of the water system/body. Rivers, streams, creeks, will carve the mountains and hills; but once that river/stream/creek hits the flats, it starts meandering and depositing its suspended load.
Where there is no water system or body, then the weather (through physical and chemical processes), wind, and glaciers will erode the rocks, and these elements affect the highest points more than the lowest points. No different that the process of rounding quartz grains.
Just how flat can rocks gets:
That's pretty damn flat and that's due to erosion.

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roxrkool
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Message 1219 of 1896 (716178)
01-13-2014 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1205 by Faith
01-12-2014 7:52 PM


Re: Evidence ain't unimportant
Before this becomes another excuse for the usual insults, I want to say No I am not claiming to be an expert on anything I've argued here either, I just think that there are a few facts that show the untenability of the Old Earth, it doesn't take expertise just the implications of certain facts. If those are grasped the OE has to be seen as untenable.
You have not presented anything in this forum -- ever -- that could cause any trained geologist to question the validity of modern geology. Not you and not the entire horde of paid and unpaid Creationists in the last 2000 years.
The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. ― Stephen Hawking

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roxrkool
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Message 1674 of 1896 (717550)
01-28-2014 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1672 by shalamabobbi
01-28-2014 4:08 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Oh! Thanks for posting that. I had been looking for something like that image for quite some time, but they are not easily found on the web. And that one is such a spectacular example. I think that's one of Morton's...
Of course, it's all for naught in the case of Faith, but perhaps others will digest this discussion and come to more logical and rational conclusions.
Edited by roxrkool, : No reason given.

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roxrkool
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Message 1713 of 1896 (717639)
01-29-2014 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1676 by Faith
01-29-2014 3:18 AM


Re: Underground canyon
Oh my.
If water can flow underground, canyons can be cut underground. I'd expect it to have occurred in the last stages of the Flood myself.
This is the most awesome statement of the entire thread!
If this doesn't exemplify the sheer intellectual bankcruptcy of creationism, I don't know what does.

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Message 1761 of 1896 (717728)
01-30-2014 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1756 by Dr Adequate
01-30-2014 5:32 PM


Re: Cool Meander
Awesome!!!
Is that another of those underground canyons?

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roxrkool
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Message 1844 of 1896 (718110)
02-04-2014 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1840 by edge
02-04-2014 1:14 AM


Re: More evidence for Faith to ignore.
Hi, edge! Hope you have been well. She just sucks you in, doesn't she? lol
Faith likes to look at ONE cartoon of the Grand Canyon and make all sorts of assumptions based on it. All other data and images are summarily ignored because the cartoon is simple... and flat. And we all know Creationism can't do complex, the true nature of the geologic record.
Faith writes:
No doubt this is one of those interpretations that is based on particular kinds of evidence, but we never get the evidence, just the interpretation.
What a terribly ignorant and lazy excuse. There are numerous technical journals, books, and WEBSITES (for crying out loud!) that present the evidence for all who are interested to see. Scientific papers are specifically formatted to present the objective data, the method of study, method of collection, etc., with the conclusions (interpretation) generally at the end.
The truth is, as we all know, Faith is terribly ignorant of geology, so it's much easier to make up lies about what today's geology actually says about the rock record. Plus, I think she's afraid of what reading textbooks might do to the simple little world she's constructed in her mind.

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roxrkool
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Message 1858 of 1896 (718139)
02-04-2014 9:55 PM
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02-04-2014 7:53 PM


Re: More evidence for Faith to ignore.
I couldn't help myself either while on Christmas vacation, then I had to go back to work. Way too busy these days, too.
Even if Faith refuses to acknowledge the obvious, preferring to play ignorant, this thread is fantastic.

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roxrkool
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Message 1859 of 1896 (718141)
02-04-2014 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1855 by Dr Adequate
02-04-2014 7:32 PM


Re: mountains
We see the early stages if continental rifting in the Afar region of Africa. No mountain-building there, either. Just volcanism, horsts and grabens, and thinning/splitting of the crust.
Extension results in normal faults, listric faults, and large-scale relatively gentle deformation. Not the tight, recumbent, or complex fold patterns observed in the Appalachians.

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roxrkool
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Message 1879 of 1896 (718222)
02-05-2014 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1862 by Faith
02-05-2014 6:13 AM


Re: More evidence for Faith to ignore.
The idea that basins formed during the Triassic or during the Carboniferous and Tertiary is just gobbledygook, like saying a rock is a landscape, which is one of the most bizarre ideas of historical Geology. It provides nothing in the way of evidence one could even begin to picture in one's mind.
The "idea" of landscapes has been presented to you numerous times, you just choose to continue ignoring it. All one must do to "imagine" these landscapes is look out your window. The rocks of tomorrow (in geologic time, not Faith time) are present in the landscapes of today.
The beaches you walk, the sand dunes you climb, the alluvial fans you mine for placer gold, the reefs we visit, the ocean sediments we sample, the valley floors you walk upon, the rivers you fish, the meteor crator (in AZ) we marvel at, and so on and so on, are the landscapes of which we speak. These are the landscapes for which ample evidence exists in the rock record.
So while you may be able to shut your mind to the visible history in the rocks, you waste precious time doing so.

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