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Message 16 of 35 (716870)
01-21-2014 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Trump won
01-21-2014 10:23 PM


so you see that evolutionists put the bedrock of their belief on the material world.
No, you see, that's materialists.
There are also non-materialists who are evolutionists.

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Larni
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Message 17 of 35 (716873)
01-22-2014 3:32 AM
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01-21-2014 8:44 PM


So, magical thinking, then?
If not, why not?
All the best.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 18 of 35 (716874)
01-22-2014 3:34 AM
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01-21-2014 10:23 PM


i'm not a robot destined to die in the ground and the dust of myself is dust but my soul lives eternally and is internally recognized by Christ's death and intuition reveals his selfhood to be true as a living parasitic organism in my heart dictating my moves and ideas and actions and thoughts and sins and forgiveness in the world
What evidence do you have to support this assertion?
All the best.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 19 of 35 (716880)
01-22-2014 9:10 AM
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01-21-2014 10:23 PM


Kierkegaard writes:
so you see that evolutionists put the bedrock of their belief on the material world.
Uh, no.
When I play Monopoly, I play by the rules of Monopoly, and when I play chess I play by the rules of chess. I do not play by the rules of Monopoly when I play chess, nor vice versa. It would make no sense.
In the same way, when I try to understand the natural world I apply the rules of the natural world, and when I try to understand the spiritual world I apply the rules of the spiritual world (which are much less precise and have no consensus, but that's another matter). I do not apply the rules of the natural world when trying to understand the spiritual world, nor vice versa. It would make no sense.
Those who think there is no natural world and no spiritual world, just one world with one set of rules - well, good luck with that. It makes as much sense as combining Monopoly and chess.
--Percy

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Message 20 of 35 (716886)
01-22-2014 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Trump won
01-21-2014 10:23 PM


I thank you for this reply
And I thank you for yours.
so you see that evolutionists put the bedrock of their belief on the material world.
Evolution is a material theory about material things. What else should they base their beliefs about material things in the material world on?
they live and die by the codification, evidence, edification, fossils, geology, spectroscope of the material world.
No they don't. They simply think that when describing the material world, one should refer to the material world. To say they 'live and die' by it, implies zealotry rather than adopting a consistent approach to studying the material world.
but man is the namer, the adam, the one who ascribes value and meaning to the world often through intuition and this intuition breeds god and Christ and savior and fate and heaven and hell and the alpha and omega and the rapture and the one true holy apostolic church
Nobody is stopping you from ascribing value and meaning to the fact that life changes over time as a result of imperfect replication that is directed by the mathematics of differential reproductive success.
i'm not a robot destined to die in the ground and the dust of myself is dust but my soul lives eternally and is internally recognized by Christ's death and intuition reveals his selfhood to be true as a living parasitic organism in my heart dictating my moves and ideas and actions and thoughts and sins and forgiveness in the world
I don't believe you. And you wouldn't believe someone saying almost the same thing about Muhammed and Allah.
I refer you to Ecclesiastes 3:18-21.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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onifre
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Message 21 of 35 (716900)
01-22-2014 11:21 AM
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01-22-2014 3:34 AM


What evidence do you have to support this assertion?
He was clear about it: intuition. You know, that old relable "gut feeling" of just knowing something you want to be right is right.
I rather enjoyed this bit:
i'm not a robot destined to die in the ground
He sees himself more as the robot who gets sent back to sender. To then worship said sender for ever and ever.
- Oni

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ringo
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Message 22 of 35 (716906)
01-22-2014 12:25 PM
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01-21-2014 12:03 AM


Kierkegaard writes:
I'm currently 25.
Kierkegaard writes:
In some ways, I'm a worse human.
Kierkegaard writes:
That's my life in a nutshell.
When I was 25 I was a worse human than I am now. Being a good human takes a lifetime of practice.

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Larni
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Message 23 of 35 (716920)
01-22-2014 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by ringo
01-22-2014 12:25 PM


I was a bit of an idiot at 25.
I hope I'm less so now, but who can tell?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Trump won 
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Message 24 of 35 (716979)
01-22-2014 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Larni
01-22-2014 3:34 AM


jesus christ

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Theodoric
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Message 25 of 35 (716993)
01-23-2014 12:14 AM
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01-22-2014 9:53 PM


That isn't evidence. It is myth. Unless you have objective verifiable evidence of course

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 26 of 35 (716994)
01-23-2014 12:23 AM
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01-23-2014 12:14 AM


Choice
not all beliefs are myths.
It is rare for a belief to be evidenced.
Evidence is not the only thing to base choices on.

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Larni
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Message 27 of 35 (716999)
01-23-2014 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Trump won
01-22-2014 9:53 PM


What evidence do you have for this assertion?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Theodoric
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Message 28 of 35 (717003)
01-23-2014 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Phat
01-23-2014 12:23 AM


Re: Choice
But unless you or he can provide the evidence a rational course would be to put that belief into the realm of myth. Then again religious belief is not based on rational thought.
not all beliefs are myths.
No kidding. But unless there is evidence they can be relegated to the realm of myth. Why is your JC dude any less a myth than Zoroaster? or maybe even Confucious?
It is rare for a belief to be evidenced.
Not at all. Most of the things I believe in are evidenced. There are very few unevidenced things I believe. Maybe that is part of your inner turmoil.
Evidence is not the only thing to base choices on.
Maybe not, but outcomes are much better when you base choices on evidence. Just sayin.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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onifre
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Message 29 of 35 (717008)
01-23-2014 9:25 AM
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01-23-2014 12:23 AM


Re: Choice
It is rare for a belief to be evidenced.
It's 7 degrees outside. I believe it's going to be quite cold.
Evidence is not the only thing to base choices on.
I'll choose to wear my heavy coat.
Evidence might not be the only thing to base a choice on for some, sure. I mean, you can always just freeze your ass off outside.
- Oni

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Message 30 of 35 (717009)
01-23-2014 9:45 AM
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01-22-2014 12:25 PM


RingO writes:
Being a good human takes a lifetime of practice.
But being a reaaaaly bad human takes a lifetime of religious practice.
signed,
Pope Innocent III, David Ernest Duke, Pope Lucius III, Toms de Torquemada, Jim Jones, Bush Jr., et al.

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