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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Why would such a god deserve anything more than pity? Who are we to determine what God deserves or does not deserve? I think you have a wrong idea of God when you insist that the book says that we should judge Him. How did we earn such a right? How could we even begin to have the credentials to judge the Creator Of All Things Seen And Unseen? why would we dare think that God deserved pity anyway? Who made US God?
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Who are we to determine what God deserves or does not deserve? I am a human.
I think you have a wrong idea of God when you insist that the book says that we should judge Him. What does the evidence say? Have you read the Bible? In Genesis 3 does the god character say we have gained the capability to know right from wrong? Does Abraham question the god character's morality? Does Jacob struggle with the god character? Does 'Israel' mean "Struggles with God"?
How did we earn such a right? How could we even begin to have the credentials to judge the Creator Of All Things Seen And Unseen? Adam & Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That gave us such a right AND also gave us the needed capabilities.
why would we dare think that God deserved pity anyway? We dare because we are human.
Who made US God? We are not God. The problem Phat is that so much of Christianity is actually a dumbed down product. It was created to be easily marketed. But remember, Jesus has almost nothing to do with Christianity; Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Using logic, the Creator of all seen and unseen would not steer us wrong. He gave us brains initially, and my hope is that He would help us. Why should He help us? The core of my belief and hope in life, love, and liberty is that God, if God exists, is good and wants us to survive and prosper.
Were this not true, I sure as hell wouldn't trust humanity. Studies done in New Orleans, after Katrina showed that anarchy and lawlessness surfaced in as little as four days. Another reason for my faith? My hope and prayer would be that I didn't become that which I feared. (With apologies to the Somali pirate comment)
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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We have brains for a reason and that is to use them. Stop and think.
Does a state of anarchy still exist in New Orleans? Was it not humanity that restored New Orleans? Humans decided that lawlessness and anarchy were not the answer and humans, humanity, restored order and reason. You do not help kids by doing for them, you help by teaching them how to do it themselves. The problem really is that much of Christianity (particularly the Calvinist traditions) is morally bankrupt and self defeating. It starts and ends with a losers concept and should be pitied when it actually produces losers. It is time to stop whining that your shoes are untied and instead learn to tie them. Reality is Big Kids school, no longer Kindergarten.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: Why should He help us? The core of my belief and hope in life, love, and liberty is that God, if God exists, is good and wants us to survive and prosper. If that was true he wouldn't also have created multiple sclerosis.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I need to add one more item. You often say stuff like "Using logic, the Creator of all seen and unseen would not steer us wrong."
HUH? How is that position arrived at logically? And "The core of my belief and hope in life, love, and liberty is that God, if God exists, is good and wants us to survive and prosper. " Again, how is that logically derived? Saying you use logic and actually using logic are two different things. Why would the Creator of all seen and unseen logically treat humans differently than other species? Where are the dinos? The mega fauna? Saber Tooth cats and mastadons? Logically, why would humans be treated differently? Are you confusing wishful thinking with logic and reason?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It all flows through Jesus Christ. The creator of all seen and unseen cannot be known or understood apart from Jesus Christ---at least for we humans. Perhaps whales have a different method of sharing communion.
But then again, God is not simply a product of our imagination....I could be wrong. Add by edit: Do you believe that God is alienated from our idea of Him? If so, is it possible that Jesus death was every bit as important as His life...in order to provide reconciliation? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
again, where is even a semblance of reason or logic in ...
Phat writes: It all flows through Jesus Christ. The creator of all seen and unseen cannot be known or understood apart from Jesus Christ---at least for we humans. Perhaps whales have a different method of sharing communion. But then again, God is not simply a product of our imagination....I could be wrong. Phat writes: Add by edit: Do you believe that God is alienated from our idea of Him? If so, is it possible that Jesus death was every bit as important as His life...in order to provide reconciliation? HUH? What does that even mean? What does any of that have to do with the questions asked in Message 272 or Message 274 or Message 276 or any other post in this topic?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What I'm saying is that the whole concept of God "allowing" lines to stand in is unacceptable. God can drag me in in chains if He wants to but I will not volunteer. Lets assume that,largely due to complaints such as yours, God allowed you other lines to stand in. Where's my "free will" to abstain?
Phat writes:
As I've said in many other threads, I would expect God to judge me according to how I treat His people (and His creation in general) - and by "His people" I do NOT mean the jaywill definition of an elite clique. I mean ALL people. If GOD exists, how do you expect to be judged? What else could I do "for" God?
Phat writes:
Who does? All I know is I don't deserve to be broke... Edited by ringo, : Doubled a quote (double the fun).
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
He steered the dinosaurs wrong.
Using logic, the Creator of all seen and unseen would not steer us wrong.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: You didnt have a choice to exist in the first place. What makes you have this desire to choose your destiny? Could it be that you have a little bit of that desire to be your own Creator?
Where's my "free will" to abstain?
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
What does any of that have to do with the questions asked in Message 272 or Message 274 or Message 276 or any other post in this topic? We don't always get to frame our own topics. But in reference to the moral bankruptcy of Christianity, don't you think you are taking too big a step in calling out all members of clubs christian that have Calvinist roots? I swear you must have had a Jewish Mother!
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It isn't a desire. It's a responsibility.
What makes you have this desire to choose your destiny? Phat writes:
You just said, "You didnt have a choice to exist in the first place." Make up your mind. Could it be that you have a little bit of that desire to be your own Creator? My parents may or may not have created me by choice. Now that I am grown up I have a responsibility to live my own life, not to be a dependent.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ok, so you believe that you have a responsibility to create your own destiny. Better?
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar writes: We don't always get to frame our own topics. What does any of that have to do with the questions asked in Message 272 or Message 274 or Message 276 or any other post in this topic? I thought the person who started the topic framed the topic? Isn't the topic "Christianity is Morally Bankrupt?" So you have no response or will not respond to the questions or the topic. Got it.
Phat writes: But in reference to the moral bankruptcy of Christianity, don't you think you are taking too big a step in calling out all members of clubs christian that have Calvinist roots? Not at all. Calvinism is a theology based on the assumption that humans are failures, predestined to be failures and incapable of actually doing anything of worth or merit.
Phat writes: I swear you must have had a Jewish Mother! You mean like Jesus? Nope, my mother was a Presbyterian.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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