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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Pollux was making joke out of it -- it is certainly a curiosity this mind that is so closed.
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Pollux Member Posts: 303 Joined: |
RAZD got my drift. I don't disagree with the intent of roxrcool's statement.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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No, Jon, I calculated it as the STARTING speed, 11 feet per day is the average speed, which would have been attained around 100 BC. You're right, sorry.
I'm not dealing with all the other plates, just the Atlantic ridge, the others may be slower or faster. Yup, ignoring the physical impossibilities as usual. A plate boundary went right under Abraham's hut.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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IF what I said is true, about the strata being all in place before any major disturbances occurred to them ... Faith, if you define major disturbances as anything that didn't occur but includes other events that you imagine should have occurred, like major cataclysms and catastrophic events, then you don't see any because all the disturbances that did occur do not fit your definition. This is dishonest and invalid logic. What you should be concerned about are ANY disturbances no matter how minor, because ANY disturbance of the top surface of ANY layer shows that they were not laid down in one process but that there was a time interval between layers. Fossils - Grand Canyon National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
quote: The facts remain that some layers were laid down in a terrestrial (dry land) environment and some layers were laid down in a watery (lake or ocean bottom) environment. The fossils confirm this. Therefore the layers were not laid down in one event. The facts remain that 'mammary' type speleothems formed underwater in caves that eroded from the sides of the canyon while it was being carved. Each speleothem collected uranium from the water during their formation years. No two speleothems have the same age, therefore the canyon was not cut all in one event. Then there are cave fossils (from the same source):
quote: This is an animal that is now extinct but was alive after the cave formed -- hence the dung in the cave -- and the cave formed after the canyon was cut.
... all the specifics you are talking about have to be irrelevant. That is the lie you keep telling yourself to avoid having to deal with all the evidence that falsifies your position. This is the way you resolve your cognitive dissonance, a fairly simple solution for you -- as long as no evidence is allowed to be significant you can continue to believe your delusional fantasy.
The Flood was NOT just any flood. To take a leaf from Dr A's book the word "just" is superfluous ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : sloth/fossilsby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Arabian plate clearly doesn't move much.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith, if you define major disturbances as anything that didn't occur but includes other events that you imagine should have occurred, like major cataclysms and catastrophic events, then you don't see any because all the disturbances that did occur do not fit your definition. This is dishonest and invalid logic. The disturbances I have in mind are clearly visible on the cross sections as clearly occurering after all the strata were in place with the exception of the Great Unconformity, and I've identified them dozens of times on this thread. I'm not going to repeat them for somebody who accuses me of being dishonest, go find them yourself.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The disturbances I have in mind are clearly visible on the cross sections as clearly occurering after all the strata were in place with the exception of the Great Unconformity, and I've identified them dozens of times on this thread. I'm not going to repeat them for somebody who accuses me of being dishonest, go find them yourself. Thank you for confirming what I said before. Curiously I am not asking you to repeat yourself, but rather for you to consider that you are wrong. The logic is dishonest and invalid.
IF what I said is true, about the strata being all in place before any major disturbances occurred to them ... It isn't true. Because, if you define major disturbances as anything that didn't occur but includes other events that you just imagine should have occurred, like major cataclysms and catastrophic events, then you don't see any because all the disturbances that did occur do not fit your definition. This is dishonest and invalid logic. What you should be concerned about are ANY disturbances no matter how minor, because ANY disturbance of the top surface of ANY layer shows that they were not laid down in one process but that there was a time interval between layers. Fossils - Grand Canyon National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
quote: The facts remain that some layers were laid down in a terrestrial (dry land) environment and some layers were laid down in a watery (lake or ocean bottom) environment. The fossils confirm this. Therefore the layers were not laid down in one event. The facts remain that 'mammary' type speleothems formed underwater in caves that eroded from the sides of the canyon while it was being carved. Each speleothem collected uranium from the water during their formation years. No two speleothems have the same age, therefore the canyon was not cut all in one event. Then there are cave fossils (from the same source):
quote: This is an animal that is now extinct but was alive after the cave formed -- hence the dung in the cave -- and the cave formed after the canyon was cut.
... all the specifics you are talking about have to be irrelevant. There is no valid reason for any evidence to be irrelevant. So that is a lie you keep telling yourself to avoid having to deal with all the evidence that falsifies your position. This is the way you resolve your cognitive dissonance, a fairly simple solution for you -- as long as no evidence is allowed to be significant you can continue to believe your delusional fantasy.
The Flood was NOT just any flood. To take a leaf from Dr A's book the word "just" is superfluous ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It IS true. And by the way most of Dr. A's pictures which were supposed to disprove it actually prove it: They show that the disturbances occurred after the strata were in place. Including the karst in the redwall. It's clear enough on the picture that the hole occurred after the strata were in place. And besides karsts DO form underground, though he claimed otherwise. One of the pictures is undecipherable -- one of the redwall -- so I have no idea wha5t it's intended to prove, and the one of the Great Unconformity is irrelevant since I've conceded that point for now.
I believe I've proved this on this thread, over and over and over again. You're the one being dishonest.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The Arabian plate clearly doesn't move much. Prove it. The plates in my picture are labeled with their velocities today.There's been lots of major earthquakes there within recorded history.
From Geological Survey of Iran:
quote: From Top 10 Major Disasters Of The World:
quote: From Giant Tectonic Crack in Africa(Ethiopia) Will Become New Ocean quote: And that's just ten minutes of research.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
On all the pictures it is clear they don't have ROOM to move much, neither now nor in Abraham's time, so if they were moving in his time as much as they are moving now, fine, so he was used to the same amount of earthquakes. Big deal..
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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It IS true. ... So you keep telling yourself. Unfortunately undereducated opinion is not of any scientific value nor has it been able to alter reality in any way, shape or form.
I believe I've proved this on this thread, over and over and over again. You're the one being dishonest. Curiously I am not the one ignoring any and all evidence that invalidates my position. I'll keep adding to the list of evidence that invalidates a WW Noachin flood in Message 692 as they come up. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It is true that all the large scale disturbances occurred to the strata only after they wree all laid down, it's a fact observable on pictures and in those cross sections. With the exception of the Great Unconformity. Period. Magma penetrated through the whole stack from bottom to top; fajult lines divide the entire stack from bottom to top; strata are depicted as parallel for hundreds of miles, not disturbed by tectonic tilting until all were in place, THEN you get the canyons, the stairs, the hoodoos, the tilting and so on and not before. And that makes all the little proofs you like so much irrelevant. Of course you CAN claim, if you want, that the strata were completely unaffected by those forces for hundreds of millions of yaers. Then your little proofs will work.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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On all the pictures it is clear they don't have ROOM to move much, ... um ... because they are colliding? Of course you will try to ignore this because this interferes with your notion of fast movement of plates separating at great speeds ... Standing on any plate you could claim it was not moving, just all the others ... Sadly this does not account for the ones bumping into the plate and causing local earthquakes. '
... so if they were moving in his time as much as they are moving now, fine, so he was used to the same amount of earthquakes. Big deal.. There have obviously been a number of earthquakes in recorded history, what is absent is any record of daily earthquakes ... Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Good grief, RAZD, I ONLY calculated the Atlantic ridge speed, I did NOT address the other plates which could be moving faster or slower. I'm sorry, I know you hate creationism so you're going to do anything you can even if dishonest and unfair to try to discredit it. Too bad you're wrong.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... , I did NOT address the other plates which could be moving faster or slower. ... So you haven't made up stuff for all the other plates ...
... , I know you hate creationism ... What I dislike Faith is dishonesty, equivocating and make-believe excuses. What I dislike is teaching kids garbage with the pretense of knowledge and what I dislike is misrepresenting facts.
... Too bad you're wrong. Says the arrogant lady that doesn't recognize wrong concepts when she sees them. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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