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Faith 
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Message 136 of 1896 (713593)
12-14-2013 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Tanypteryx
12-14-2013 5:03 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Why don't you deal with what I have shown over and over again, that if any of the strata had been exposed at the surface for the long years you assume, they would show disturbances ragged enough to be seen all the way across the canyon. You are just repeating the party line about the kind of erosion that has to be seen close up that I've answered a million times already.
And gthe idea that there wre successive risings and falling of land or water is phhyiscally impossible.

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herebedragons
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Message 137 of 1896 (713594)
12-14-2013 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Dr Adequate
12-14-2013 6:39 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
That isn't actually interbedding, they're lying.
Could you explain what is actually going on in those layers? I was confused by the image as well - if that is indeed Cambrian rock on top of Mississippian rock it disproves the whole geological column and the old earth
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

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foreveryoung
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Message 138 of 1896 (713595)
12-14-2013 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by herebedragons
12-14-2013 7:15 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Not if the Cambrian rock was trusted over the Mississippian rocks via faulting.

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Faith 
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Message 139 of 1896 (713596)
12-14-2013 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Atheos canadensis
12-14-2013 5:25 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Of course it's not problematic for him since he's willing to embrace the establishment view I've been arguing against from the beginning without bothering to address or even read or think about anything I've said. It's just physically impossible for the column of strata to be sometimes under water and sometimes exposed at the surface, and for LONG periods supposedly exposed at the surface too, which as I've argued at tedious length would show disturbances to the layers visible across the whole canyon for crying out loud.
DEAL WITH MY ARGUMENTS. They make yours irrelevant.

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herebedragons
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Message 140 of 1896 (713597)
12-14-2013 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
12-14-2013 7:15 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Is this the kind of erosional layers you are expecting to see everywhere even from a distance?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

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Faith 
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Message 141 of 1896 (713598)
12-14-2013 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by herebedragons
12-14-2013 7:20 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Yes and I drew my own illustration very similar to that one years ago to explain what I jmeant about what SHOULD be seen if the long years of exposure actually happened, that was posted here but probably isn't any more. Nobody took it seriously as usual. So are you now saying that's the way it happened in reality? If it did where's the photo to prove it?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 142 of 1896 (713600)
12-14-2013 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
12-14-2013 7:12 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Faith writes:
the horizontality is an issue because it demonstrates the lack of disturbance to the individual layers over their millions of years, no tectonic distortion
Faith writes:
You pick a picture that demonstrates the tectonic distortion

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herebedragons
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Message 143 of 1896 (713601)
12-14-2013 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
12-14-2013 7:23 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
So are you now saying it did?
No, it obviously did not happen that way. I am not sure everyone understands what you are trying to say about this, so I saw this pic and realized "that's what she is saying should have happened" so this is for clarification.
So you are saying that the Grand Canyon should look like this if it took millions of years to form?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

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Faith 
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Message 144 of 1896 (713602)
12-14-2013 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Dr Adequate
12-14-2013 7:26 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Amazing how you're willing to quote out of context. The evasion and subterfuges to avoid my points are amazing. One would almost think you all KNOW I'm right but just refuse to acknowledge it.

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herebedragons
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Message 145 of 1896 (713603)
12-14-2013 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by foreveryoung
12-14-2013 7:18 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Not if the Cambrian rock was trusted over the Mississippian rocks via faulting.
Geology is not my forte' but here is the image that Percy posted:
Doesn't look like faulting or sliding to me.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

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Faith 
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Message 146 of 1896 (713604)
12-14-2013 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by herebedragons
12-14-2013 7:28 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
I actually think the effect would be a liot worse than that, but yes, I'm saying that if AN INDIVIDUAL LAYER was actually exposed at the surface for long periods of time it would be eroded way beyond the actual erosion seen, enough to be visible across the whole canyon. Which it is not. Nor is it visible in that cross-section, a mere graphic as someone tried to dismiss it, but if the individual layers had been as disturbed as they would have been under the scenario that requires them to have bgeen exposed for millions of years (hey ten years would distort them more than we see) I'm sure the artist would have not drawn those nice neat parallel layers.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 147 of 1896 (713607)
12-14-2013 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Faith
12-14-2013 7:19 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Faith writes:
It's just physically impossible for the column of strata to be sometimes under water and sometimes exposed at the surface
Then since they are now exposed at the surface, must we conclude that they were never underwater?
and for LONG periods supposedly exposed at the surface too, which as I've argued at tedious length would show disturbances to the layers visible across the whole canyon for crying out loud
DEAL WITH MY ARGUMENTS.
Those aren't arguments. They're assertions. False ones.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 148 of 1896 (713608)
12-14-2013 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Faith
12-14-2013 7:29 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Amazing how you're willing to quote out of context.
You said that there was no tectonic distortion, and that I'd shown you a photograph of it. Feel free to supply context.
One would almost think you all KNOW I'm right but just refuse to acknowledge it.
I think you were right when you said that I'd shown you a photograph of the tectonic distortion, and wrong when you said there wasn't any.

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Faith 
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Message 149 of 1896 (713609)
12-14-2013 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Dr Adequate
12-14-2013 7:38 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
I usually give you credit for at least being able to understand what a person is saying. The best I can say now is that I was wrong, because the only alternative is to figure you are intentionally lying.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 150 of 1896 (713610)
12-14-2013 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by herebedragons
12-14-2013 7:31 PM


Re: Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Geology is not my forte' but here is the image that Percy posted:
Yes, but it's bollocks. How often are things with the word "Bible" on them true?

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