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roxrkool
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Message 80 of 157 (71209)
12-05-2003 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Thronacx
12-04-2003 5:45 PM


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I happen to believe that the data alone, is the only acceptable way to present evidence. then let people decide for themselves what to believe. I also happen to believe that an elephant is not a rope, a tree, or a snake...
Considering most people have very limited understanding of science in general, I'd say it's a dangerous and ridiculous proposition to assume anyone other than the experts should be interpreting data. As for Creationist experts, sure, there are some that profess to be experts and they might be, but they are far from being professionals. A professional would not sign a belief statement.

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roxrkool
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Message 87 of 157 (71263)
12-05-2003 4:58 PM
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12-05-2003 1:02 PM


Dangerous? Yes. Many defendents are wrongly convicted.
Ridiculous? Yes, sometimes. Especially, juries who are expected to interpret forensic evidence without the benefit of an expert witness. That's generally not the case. However, even with the evidence explained by a forensics expert, juries are still left baffled. That's the problem with juries.

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roxrkool
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Message 106 of 157 (71615)
12-08-2003 3:57 PM
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12-08-2003 2:05 PM


Science is hampered by our inability to: 1) recognize crucial data/evidence, and 2) interpret the data/evidence. Science progresses similarly to evolution - via little steps and the occasional large one. When we make a discovery that doesn't make sense, that may mean we just took a large step and we don't yet know where that discovery falls. In the mean time, science continues to make smaller, less significant discoveries along many paths until one day, one little discovery illuminates the path to the larger one. Then voila, we can finally understand what that mess was all about!
In the past, we had limited knowledge and understanding of the world around us, so for you to bring up past scientific mistakes in the hope of decimating science, is just plain wrong and a strawman of immense proportion. Today, science moves at a faster pace, but this only means more and more discoveries we can't explain. Eventually, given time, we will.
Glen Rose, Texas has already been refuted many times over by others and I don't have the time nor the inclination to do it here. Suffice it to say that dinosaurs and humans never lived together. This has been confirmed a thousand times by REAL scientists in geology, paleontology, paleoanthropology. Besides, those footprints are about as real as Pam Anderson's BBs.
As for looking at all sciences, obviously you are seriously undeducated when it comes to the evidence supporting evolution and an old earth. All the natural sciences agree on this one point and all evidence found to date by REAL scientists confirms this reality on a daily basis.
If you are looking for scientific evidence to back up Creationism, you will be looking for a very long time. There exists no such evidence.
BTW, gay people have been going to church for a lot longer than you see to think. Since the very beginning of Christianity itself.
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