Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?

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PURPLEDAWN:
We understand that you are discussing living beings and we understand that you applied the first meaning of the word eternal to living beings. Eternal in the Bible is really about not having an end, not about not having a beginning depending on how it is used. Having neither beginning nor end is usually saved for the Creator.

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ALTER2EGO -to- PURPLEDAWN: Since that is your claim, I am sure you will have no problem quoting scriptures that indicate: "Eternal in the Bible is really about not having an end, not about not having a beginning." I have been reading the Bible for years and never once came across anything remotely suggesting that.

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ALTER2EGO:
Since that is your claim, I am sure you will have no problem quoting scriptures that indicate: "Eternal in the Bible is really about not having an end, not about not having a beginning." I have been reading the Bible for years and never once came across anything remotely suggesting that.

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Strange since it's all over the NT.

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ALTER2EGO -to- PURPLEDAWN:
It depends which Bible translation you are relying on, since many of the Bible versions contain translation errors aka translation blunders. But despite the translation errors, if you pay attention to the context (the surrounding words, verses, and chapters that are related to the verse you are focusing on), you are able to see past the translation blunder and get the correct understanding of what the Bible is actually saying.Clearly, you are not paying attention to context. You are cherry picking the words "eternal" and "everlasting" from the verses and ignoring everything else. I will demonstrate it to you once you quote your first three or four verses from the New Testament where you are seeing those particular words.

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Ancient mountains (Deuteronomy 33:15) - Eternal God (Deuteronomy 33:2). Same adjective. qedem

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According to the stories in Genesis, God created everything. This means the mountains had a beginning. Qedem doesn't carry the meaning of without beginning and end.

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ALTER2EGO -to- PURPLEDAWN:
I see your confusion. You are reading from a Bible that uses the word "everlasting," and you equate that to mean "eternal." Let me explain. The words "everlasting" and "eternal" are synonyms, which equates to one of two things:(1) They have the same meaning.OR IF NOT(2) They are close in meaning but do not mean the same thing. DEFINITION OF "SYNONYM":
The definition of a synonym is a word that means the same or nearly the same thing as another word.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/synonymKeep that in mind, because I will direct your attention to it again at the end of this post.The link you provided gives the following translation for Deuteronomy 33:15 and quotes it from the King James Version. I will repeat the quotation below. Notice the words that I type in all caps and bold within the scriptural quotation."And for the chief things of the ANCIENT mountains, and for the precious things of the LASTING hills," (Deuteronomy 33:15 — King James Version)The word "ancient" does not mean "eternal." DEFINITION OF "ANCIENT":
"Ancient is defined as someone or something that has lasted a very long time."
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ancientAs you yourself said above, the mountains had a beginning. So clearly, they could not be eternal. The KJV quotation that I provided above also uses the expression "lasting hills," DEFINITION OF "LASTING":
"existing or continuing a long while : enduring "
Lasting Definition & Meaning - Merriam-WebsterThe KJV correctly translated that particular verse, because neither "ancient" nor "lasting" are words that equate to "eternal." The word "eternal" refers to something that has always existed and will never cease to exist. DEFINITION OF "ETERNAL": Eternal means not having a beginning or an end.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/eternal"without beginning or end; existing through all time; EVERLASTING" (Source: Webster's New World College Dictionary)Notice that the synonym for "eternal" is indicated in the second definition, which I bolded and typed in all caps (in order to bring it to your attention). The routine of some dictionaries is to add the synonym after a colon or semicolon, which is what occurred with Webster's Dictionary directly above.Remember, words that are synonyms do not always have the same meanings. That is the case with the word "everlasting" vs. the word "eternal." Their meanings are not quite the same. I will expand on this, if you wish.FYI: The only being in existence that is eternal is Almighty God Jehovah. Everything else had a beginningmeaning, they were created. That includes the pre-human Jesus Christ prior to his arrival on earth.

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I provided a link in Message 362 which has a list of the verses that use the word aiōnios.

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ALTER2EGO -to- PURPLEDAWN:Neither the Hebrew word olam nor the Greek word aiōnios mean eternal. They both refer to time periods that are anything but eternal. You are relying on Bible translations that contain translation errors. This is confirmed by the following source, which I am partially quoting below, followed by the weblink to the source. I encourage to go to the weblink were you will see examples for why the words "olam" and "ainios" could not possibly refer to things that are eternal.

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Many bible-versions contain such expressions as for ever and everlasting. An example: The Old Testament part of NASB-95 contains the expression forever in almost 300 passages, and the word everlasting in more than 100 passages. Such translations can easily cause casual readers of the Scriptures to think that the things mentioned in those passages are for all time to come (time without end). But, that is not the case.

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Most bible-versions fail to translate the Hebrew word olam in a correct way. Through that, they make it seem that many instructions that were given to ancient Israel, would be for ever (or everlasting or eternal, or whatever) and would thus apply even today. That is not true, of course.

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More linguistics, for those who are interested: In the ancient Greek text of the Septuagint (LXX), the Hebrew olam is mostly translated as ain or (sometimes) ainios. Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon by Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott shows that the old Greek word ain meant a period of existence, such as life-time, life, an age, generation, posterity (ho melln ain), a long space of time, of old, for ages (ap’ ainos), a definite space of time, an era, epoch, age, period, and so on.

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http://www.biblepages.net/fg09.htm

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PURPLEDAWN:
I provided a link in Message 362 which has a list of the verses that use the word aiōnios.

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Pick any three you want or pick three from NoNukes post.

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Explain the context we are missing..

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ALTER2EGO -to- PURPLEDAWN:
The context is there for all to see, except those who refuse to accept that the word "eternal" only refers to something without a beginning or an end. All of the cherry picked verses that NoNukes presented are with reference to beings that had a beginning (humans and angels), as well as things that had a beginning (mountains). That is the clue that the word "eternal" should not have been used in those verses during translation to English. You are relying on Bibles with errors by English translators. That's why we all need to do private research, so that we will not be misled.Things that were created had a beginning. Something that is eternal cannot have a beginning. In other words, NoNukes presented translation blunders. The English translations that he provided are all erroneous.What most people do not realize is that Bible translations were not done by inspiration of God; therefore, they are prone to human error.Edited by Alter2Ego, : No reason given.

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PURPLEDAWN:
A simplistic English definition of an adjective does not define the rules of existence for other beings.

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Also without beginning, isn't the same as cannot or can never have a beginning.

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So we are back to the fact that you have no support for your rules of existence concerning eternal beings. The definition does not support your claim that they cannot or can never have a beginning or end.

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ALTER2EGO -to- PURPLEDAWN:Actually, we are back to the fact that you refuse to accept that the word "eternal" only applies to someone or something that does not have a beginning or an end. Now you are telling me what Greek philosophers believed. Greek philosophers were pagans. They did not worship the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible.In any event, since you are content in believing that every time you see the word "eternal" in the Bible with reference to created beings (humans and angels) and created things (mountains) which clearly had a beginning--but you insist the rendition is correct--go ahead and believe that. Do not expect any further response from me as far as the word "eternal" is concerned.Neither should you expect any further response from me dealing trinity. In other words, I will not respond to anything else you post in this thread.I'm moving on.Edited by Alter2Ego, : No reason given.Edited by Alter2Ego, : No reason given.

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:Below is a verse of scripture that demonstrates the idiocy of the trinity dogma."The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool." (Psalms 110:1 -- King James Version)According to that scripture, God is literally talking to himself. During the conversation with himself, Jehovah (the Father) puts himself on his own right hand and refers to the enemy of the son (Jesus) as "your" enemy (indicating the enemy is Jesus' enemy and not Jehovah's), rather than using the possessive "our enemy"