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Topic: So...more random shooting
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 1 of 63 (706699)
09-16-2013 5:00 PM
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onifre
Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: 02-20-2008
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Sad, I guess. But this isn't anything interesting really. Sounds like the two went postal. - Oni
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 3 of 63 (706704)
09-16-2013 5:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by onifre
09-16-2013 5:08 PM
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It's not clear yet:
The area where the rampage took place, known as Building 197, was part of the headquarters for Naval Sea Systems Command
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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simple logistics
as long as there is random (uncontrolled) access to guns there will be random (uncontrolled) use of guns on people. it's simple logistics.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5 of 63 (706720)
09-16-2013 6:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by RAZD
09-16-2013 6:40 PM
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Re: simple logistics
as long as there is random (uncontrolled) access to guns there will be random (uncontrolled) use of guns on people.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 6 of 63 (706724)
09-16-2013 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by RAZD
09-16-2013 6:40 PM
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Re: simple logistics
RAZD writes: as long as there is random (uncontrolled) access to guns there will be random (uncontrolled) use of guns on people. australia banned assault and automatic weapons in like 1997, instituted buy-backs, and hasn't had a mass shooting since. fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. must be a coincidence.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 7 of 63 (706749)
09-17-2013 7:07 AM
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Just heard that there have been more Americans killed by toddlers than terrorists in the USA so far this year. 12 apparently. One was a five year old that killed his two year old sister. He used a gun made for kids called 'My First Rifle.' That sort of thing has us Brits just plain bewildered.
11 Deaths in Five Months Where Shooter Was 3 to 6 Years Old Listed below are the 11 gun fatalities I found where a preschooler pulled the trigger (from Jan. 1 to June 9, 2013). Starting with a list of five toddler shooting deaths The Jewish Daily Forward published in early May, I unearthed six additional cases. This tragic, unthinkable event has happened every month, like clock-work. Jan. 10: 6-year-old playmate shoots and kills 4-year-old Trinity Ross, Kansas City, Kan. Feb. 11: 4-year-old Joshua Johnson shoots and kills himself, Memphis, Tenn. Feb. 24: 4-year-old Jaiden Pratt dies after shooting himself in the stomach while his father sleeps, Houston. March 30: 4-year-old Rahquel Carr shot and killed either by 6-year-old brother or another young playmate, Miami. April 6: Josephine Fanning, 48, shot and killed by 4-year-old boy at a barbecue, Wilson County, Tenn. April 8: 4-year-old shoots and kills 6-year-old friend Brandon Holt, Toms River, N.J. April 9: 3-year-old is killed after he finds a pink gun that he thinks is a toy, Greenville, S.C. April 30: 2-year-old Caroline Sparks killed by her 5-year-old brother with his Cricket My First Rifle marketed to kids, Cumberland County, Ky. May 1: 3-year-old Darrien Nez shoots himself in the face and dies after finding his grandmother’s gun, Yuma, Ariz. May 7: 3-year-old Jadarrius Speights fatally shoots himself with his uncle’s gun, Tampa, Fla. June 7: 4-year-old fatally shoots his father, Green Beret Justin Thomas, Prescott Valley, Ariz. At least 10 more toddlers have shot but not killed themselves or someone else this year (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here). In the first three cases, the shooter was only 2 years old. I also found nine instances where children and teens 7 to 19 years old accidentally killed themselves, a family member or friend since January (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here). Toddlers Killed More Americans Than Terrorists Did This Year - Opposing Views#
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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frako
Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: 09-04-2010
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Message 8 of 63 (706761)
09-17-2013 10:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Tangle
09-17-2013 7:07 AM
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well yea that's because they don't allow toddlers to have guns the only thing stopping a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun. If the two sisters both had an uzi they could have given the five year old a bad case of led poisoning before he got his second shot out but noo the liberals and their crazy stomping of the 2nd amendment rights have it all figured out dont they.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
Click if you dare!
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Straggler
Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 9 of 63 (706764)
09-17-2013 11:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Tangle
09-17-2013 7:07 AM
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Guns don't kill people.....
Toddlers kill people.....
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 10 of 63 (706766)
09-17-2013 11:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Tangle
09-17-2013 7:07 AM
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logically . . .
Tang writes: Just heard that there have been more Americans killed by toddlers than terrorists in the USA so far this year. If true that more americans have been killed by toddlers in just ONE year than by terrorists in the last TWELVE years since 9/11, then there is only one logical action for politicians to take: INCREASE the already bloated military spending and NSA budget for spying on americans. Problem solved. (This message approved by the re-elect NY Congressman Brian Higgins and NY Senator Charles E. Schumer committee.)
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NoNukes
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Message 11 of 63 (706769)
09-17-2013 12:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Tangle
09-17-2013 7:07 AM
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Guns for Tots
April 30: 2-year-old Caroline Sparks killed by her 5-year-old brother with his Cricket My First Rifle marketed to kids, Cumberland County, Ky. This particular incident gives the whole game away. Nothing but evil is behind marketing guns to five year olds. These guys belong in the same circle of Dante's inferno as the guys who came up with Joe Camel. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 12 of 63 (706770)
09-17-2013 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 11 by NoNukes
09-17-2013 12:10 PM
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Re: Guns for Tots
NoNukes writes: Nothing but evil is behind marketing guns to five year olds.
I don't think anybody has to "market" guns to five-year-olds. There is plenty of demand. A few years ago there was a segment on one of those American "news" shows, 60-40 or 20 Minutes or whatever, about a woman who goes around to daycare centers teaching gun awareness. She would tell the children, "If you see a gun, don't touch it. Go and tell an adult." They dutifully repeated the instructions. Then they were turned loose in a playroom with a real (non-functioning) gun. All of them, including the woman's own child, happily chose the gun out of the toybox, played with it, pointed it at each other and pulled the trigger. They knew how to load it; they knew how to fire it; they knew it was real. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. A little armament makes it even more dangerous.
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NoNukes
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Message 13 of 63 (706773)
09-17-2013 1:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by ringo
09-17-2013 12:33 PM
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Re: Guns for Tots
I don't think anybody has to "market" guns to five-year-olds. There is plenty of demand. Apparently there is some impetus (like wanting to make even more money) to market guns to kids because they do exactly that. Despite not "having to" gun manufacturers do so anyway. Here’s How the Rifle That Just Killed a 2-Year-Old Girl Is Marketed for Kids – Mother Jones
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The Pennsylvania-based maker of Crickett rifles, Keystone Sporting Arms, markets its guns with the slogan "My First Rifle." They are available with different barrel and stock designs, including some made in hot pink to appeal to young girls
If the revolution comes, these guys ought to be first up against the wall.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 14 of 63 (706774)
09-17-2013 2:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by NoNukes
09-17-2013 1:56 PM
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Re: Guns for Tots
If the revolution comes, these guys ought to be first up against the wall. But you'll be the first against the wall, being shot by kids with guns. (P.S. Are you another Douglas Adams fan?)
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.7
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Re: Guns for Tots
Dr A writes:
(P.S. Are you another Douglas Adams fan?) Who the hell isn't?
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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