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NoNukes
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Message 231 of 272 (706322)
09-09-2013 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by jar
09-09-2013 3:24 PM


Re: guilty for being able
Limited yes. That is sufficient example to show that your claim that there is NO right to a private conversation is wrong on its face.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 250 of 272 (706348)
09-09-2013 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Theodoric
09-09-2013 6:44 PM


Re: Right vs Privilege
Does not matter there is still an expectation of privacy. The government could not use any information obtained by an individual this way. An individual disseminating info gained this way would be open to various lawsuits
In a criminal case, you might not appreciate the result. The rights in the fourth amendment apply only to the government. As long as the police don't solicit infringement, the courts won't apply the exclusionary rule to keep information obtained by non state actors out of your trial. In some cases you can sue, but you probably could not sue someone who overheard you without using some kind of artificial assistance.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 254 of 272 (706353)
09-09-2013 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Rahvin
09-09-2013 7:47 PM


Re: Right vs Privilege
Trespassing has nothing to do with falsification or identity - if I tell lies to get you to let me in your house, you still let me in your house.
You are wrong about the issue of fraud, and there are plenty of examples of prosecution for entering a property under false pretenses. One famous example is Food Lion vs ABC. Food Lion successfully sued ABC for trespassing when reporters lied to get jobs so they could report on company practices from the inside.
A policeman undercover is actually a special circumstance; it is accepted practice for police to lie if it is in the furthering of their duties.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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