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dwise1
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Message 16 of 177 (702311)
07-04-2013 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by NoNukes
07-04-2013 1:27 AM


Re: Take 2
I guessed a different submarine movie, but I wanted to point out that you missed out on the atta-boy by not giving the character names, Marko Ramius and Jack Ryan as required, and now it's too late.
Oh that's just great! Another "aw shit!"! Now I need ten more "atta-boy"'s to wipe that one out.
Of course, the problem is that an "aw shit!" is ten times more likely to be noticed than one "atta-boy".
Tangential story. At a Boy Scout Camporee that we took our Webelos den to, I went back to our campsite to rest and I noticed an odd cloud of dust in a neighboring campsite. Then their trash bag burst into flames, which it turned out was sitting right next to their propane tank. My immediate reaction as I sprang into action was to call out "Fire! Fire! Fire!". Straight out of the movie, though I am a retired Chief Petty Officer with 35 years of service (29 in the Navy Reserve and 6 in active duty Air Force, my checkered past).
PS
Do I get any "atta-boy" for knowing where Tom Clancy got his information from and how he had worked out the submarine battles?
Larry Bond was a Naval Reserve officer (back before it became the Navy Reserve) who had created a pencil-and-paper naval wargame, Harpoon. The descriptions and capabilities of the ships and of their sensor and weapons systems were researched out of publicly available references such as Jane's Books. As he was researching for his book (I believe that "Hunt for Red October" was his first, or at least his first successful book), Clancy came across Bond's game and contacted him. Clancy based much of his naval systems knowledge on the game and on Bond's open-source sources, so that when Navy brass questioned him on where he had gotten that information from, he could answer them truthfully. They also used Harpoon to play-test the ships' actions in the novel. Later, Clancy and Bond collaborated on at least one novel, "Red Storm Rising", and Bond also went on to write a number of techno-thrillers. And the rights to Bond's Harpoon were sold to computer game developers from which a number of computer games have been developed.
An interesting historical note is that Fred T. Jane (1865 to 1916), the founder of Jane's books, published his first book, All the World's Fighting Ships in 1898 as a supplement to his own naval wargame.
Edited by dwise1, : PS

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Message 17 of 177 (702314)
07-04-2013 3:11 AM
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07-04-2013 1:56 AM


Re: Take 2
Do I get any "atta-boy" for knowing where Tom Clancy got his information from and how he had worked out the submarine battles
Definitely worth an atta-boy. Nine more and you are even for the night!

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dwise1
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Message 18 of 177 (702315)
07-04-2013 3:55 AM
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07-04-2013 3:11 AM


Re: Take 2
Definitely worth an atta-boy. Nine more and you are even for the night!
Ah, but by the time you have made Chief you should have learned that it is impossible to ever accrue enough "atta-boy"'s.

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Message 19 of 177 (702317)
07-04-2013 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by NoNukes
07-04-2013 1:27 AM


Re: Take 2
...you missed out on the atta-boy by not giving the character names ...
Aww come on ... give him his atta-boy.
Just the one? We'll save the extra credit one for some other time, OK?
I mean, if he's like me this atta-boy is so swamped by aw-shits it's barely noticable on the register anyway, even with the other atta-boy for the additional Clancy stuff.
Have a heart Nukes?

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JonF
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Message 20 of 177 (702323)
07-04-2013 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by yenmor
07-03-2013 9:30 PM


Re: Seismic waves
Jan lamprecht has an explanation for that.
No, he has no explanation. He has some pictures. Anybody can draw pictures.
I see that his pictures do not include reflected waves, do not include S-waves, do not include waves which change P->S and S->P, and do not include time of arrival. Show us some equations and parameters which produce the actual observed waves and timing of arrival and he may have something. Although I doubt it.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Stile
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Message 21 of 177 (702328)
07-04-2013 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by yenmor
07-02-2013 7:56 PM


Hollow Man
Hello Mr. yenmor, welcome to EvC!
It's a nice place.
Been working like a dog on this program that I intend to publish soon before I start working on the upcoming construction project that's worth $250 million.
I shit $250 million before breakfast.
I must say this is the first time I've ever heard anything about the "hollow earth theory" and this supposed expedition.
Check out the movie "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" it's a documentary about it. Or a fiction novel. Doesn't matter, it has dinosaur fights!!
He also claims that the center of gravity of the Earth isn't in the center of the Earth but rather in the crustal mass.
False regardless if the Earth is hollow or not.
The bulk of the mass may be in the crustal mass (again, regardless of if the Earth is hollow or not).
But as long as the Earth is relatively uniform and spherical, the centre of mass will always be close to the centre of the Earth.
The only way it'll ever be in the crustal mass is if we have some sort of seriously non-uniform, non-spherical Earth. If that were true, we'd likely have some kind of wonky rotation or orbit or something like that too.
What I do know is nowadays it is very fashionable to call someone a crank just because he doesn't hold the same view as mainstream anything.
Is it? I hadn't noticed.
I'll start calling my sister a crank. She mentioned she was going to stop using facebook.
That and the fact that engineers have a track record of being young earth creationists around here...
That's not true at all. I'm an engineer and I'm basically God around here.
More like Thor, though... I'm not so much into the younger God's like Yahweh.
Thor... doing lightning before it was cool.
So, if the Earth is hollow, what's keeping the crust from collapsing into the void? The pressure must be enormous down there due to all the matter that is above it.
True. It's one of the reasons we know the Earth is not hollow.
There were people that posed similar types of questions: If the Earth is moving, how come the winds aren't blowing everyone and everything off the surface? I can't help but wonder if everything we claim to know about the true nature of the universe is just as ignorant as the people of Copernicus' time's claim to know god's ways.
You seem to have a way of stringing phrases together that do not carry along the same point of context. Igloos!
The idea is good to wonder about. But science deals with work and observations. If you put in some work and make some observations, then you'll have a better idea on what actually is or isn't going along with the current theory.
Neal Adams shows us how all the continents fit together perfectly on all sides.
Yup. Well, not perfectly. More like mostly. It's 'cause all the land used to be connected and some dude called it "Pangea."
...he shows us his evidence of other planetary bodies growing.
Does he mention why?
Earth grows every time a meteor slams into us. This isn't why the land masses mostly fit together though... Paint thinner!
Expanding earth theorists have shown that all the continents fit together on all sides.
Have they? Can you show me? I don't think this is true.
Here's a mapidoodle:
I can see how North/South America mostly fit together with Europe and Africa.
But it doesn't look like North/South America fit at all with Asia and Australia.
So it's certainly not "all sides."
Did he mean something else?
Of course, the fitting together is nicely explained by Pangea and shifting plate techtonics. But that's not as fun as fighting dinosaurs!!
So, if the Earth grew in size, then there must be hollow spaces within the Earth. Otherwise, where would the extra matter came from?
Dinosaur poop.
Hey, if we're just making stuff up, why even try to have it make sense?
If we're not making stuff up... then the explanation that fits with the evidence is one that doesn't include a growing Earth with hollow spaces inside.

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ringo
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Message 22 of 177 (702339)
07-04-2013 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by yenmor
07-02-2013 7:56 PM


Re: Take 2
yenmor writes:
I must say this is the first time I've ever heard anything about the "hollow earth theory" and this supposed expedition.
I remember seeing ads in Popular Mechanics in the early 1960's selling books about Admiral Byrd's flight over the North Pole hole, the entrance to the hollow earth. We've come a long way since then - the Internet has brought us unlimited free nonsense.
Edited by ringo, : Speling.

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NoNukes
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Message 23 of 177 (702345)
07-04-2013 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by AZPaul3
07-04-2013 5:23 AM


Re: Take 2
Have a heart Nukes?
I'm still miffed that the answer isn't Ice Station Zebra. No, I'm standing by my nit picking.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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yenmor
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Message 24 of 177 (702346)
07-04-2013 2:55 PM
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07-04-2013 11:18 AM


Re: Hollow Man
quote:
Have they? Can you show me? I don't think this is true.
I linked to that video before, but I guess it was more fun to make snark comments than looking at the links I provided.
And no, I don't believe in this stuff. I live by the philosophy of minding with what I know. I'll let the geologist fight it out. I just thought it was interesting concept.

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Message 25 of 177 (702347)
07-04-2013 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by yenmor
07-04-2013 2:55 PM


Re: Hollow Man
yenmor writes:
I linked to that video before...
Yeah, but:
quote:
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Don't worry, it's not you, it's me.
Really, there's lots of video's I can't link to from certain computers.
Also, I showed a map of the world you could refer to, for easy pointing-at-stuff.
but I guess it was more fun to make snark comments
Yeah, it generally is. For me, anyway. Sorry, I don't mean to insult you or anything... just felt like having some fun.
And no, I don't believe in this stuff.
Then what's the problem with my comments? I made some actual points, too. Buried in there. Somewhere...
I live by the philosophy of minding with what I know.
I don't know what that means.
Not getting involved in things that aren't your expertise?
I'll let the geologist fight it out.
We're not getting involved, just asking questions. And answering the easy ones.
I just thought it was interesting concept.
It is. That's why they made a movie about it
All joking aside, have a look around and stay a while. It's pretty fun here and there's lots to learn. And the board-software is first class. (Kiss up to the owner enough and you get a free decoder ring in the mail!)

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dwise1
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Message 26 of 177 (702350)
07-04-2013 5:23 PM
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07-04-2013 2:42 PM


Re: Take 2
I'm still miffed that the answer isn't Ice Station Zebra.
Rock Hudson:
quote:
Because of the close quarters here, we're all on a first-name basis. Mine is "Captain".
Once while undergoing my annual physical, I was waiting to have my X-rays taken with a group that included a couple fellow Chiefs. When the HM came out and said, "You're next, Chief.", we looked at each other and I advised the HM that he shouldn't just use our first name.
Edited by dwise1, : Sea story.

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AZPaul3
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Message 27 of 177 (702351)
07-04-2013 5:44 PM
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07-04-2013 5:23 PM


Re: Take 2
NoNukes:
I'm still miffed that the answer isn't Ice Station Zebra. No, I'm standing by my nit picking.
Dwise1:
"You're next, Chief.", we looked at each other and I advised the HM that he shouldn't just use our first name.
X 2

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yenmor
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Message 28 of 177 (702353)
07-04-2013 7:23 PM
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07-04-2013 3:25 PM


Re: Hollow Man
This idea actually gave me an idea for a science fiction novel. I spent about an hour last night googling around to see if anyone has ever done an idea like this. And sure enough, I couldn't find a single thing that even came close to the idea I have.
Between my projects and day job, it will probably take me like a couple years to write this out.

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yenmor
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Message 29 of 177 (702354)
07-04-2013 8:15 PM
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07-04-2013 3:25 PM


Re: Hollow Man
quote:
Also, I showed a map of the world you could refer to, for easy pointing-at-stuff.
Here's the thing. Have you ever tried to flatten out an orange peal in one piece? For instance, Greenland in that map of yours is much bigger than it actually is.
I know you're not really trying, and neither am I. But throwing out random refutes (gish gallop), not looking at my links and info (lalala I can't hear you), and making snark backhanded comments are all YEC traits.

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NoNukes
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Message 30 of 177 (702355)
07-04-2013 8:38 PM
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07-04-2013 5:44 PM


Re: Take 2
For completeness sake:
Jeffrey Pelt:
"Mr. Ambassador, you have nearly a hundred naval vessels operating in the North Atlantic right now. Your aircraft has dropped enough sonar buoys so that a man could walk from Greenland to Iceland to Scotland without getting his feet wet. Now, shall we dispense with the bull?"
Ambassador Lysenko: "You make your point as delicately as ever, Mr. Pelt."

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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