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Author Topic:   Endtime Prophecy and the European Union
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Message 281 of 313 (701237)
06-14-2013 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Faith
06-14-2013 11:29 AM


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WHO SAID THE APPEARANCE OF THE STATUE IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT? Obviously it has to have a woman on the back of a beast.
How do you determine which aspects of the statues appearance are relevant and which are not ? Especially given that the woman in Revelation is a symbolic image anyway.

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Message 284 of 313 (701240)
06-14-2013 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by Faith
06-14-2013 11:46 AM


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Like I said we immediately see the connection. Woman riding beast.
But why take this obviously superficial resemblance of unrelated images as anything significant ? You haven't explained a thing about that.
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We don't "determine" anything
You certainly decided that the resemblance you saw was important and the lack of resemblance in all other areas was not important.
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There is no way there COULD be an exact match, all we COULD have is a hint at a similarity. Beast, woman riding. Very basic. But alone it probably wouldn't mean much.
Why couldn't there be a greater resemblance ? That really makes no sense at all. It's quite possible to make a statue based directly on the image, which I will remind you is a symbolic image in a vision.
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The shape of the building that reminds us of the Tower of Babel, the flag with the twelve stars in a circle that its designer saw as related to the Catholic interpretation of the woman in Revelation 12, the supposedly empty 666 seat which somebody said isn't empty but others say is. This is not some kind of hard and fast correspondence here, this is a collection of suggestions that some Christians find intriguing and in keeping with our understanding of how the last days are to play out.
They prove nothing more than your desperation to find "correspondences" with your mythology (and I remind you that I'm not talking about the Bible). The fact that you have images from both sides in the struggle depicted in Revelation only confirms that.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 290 of 313 (701258)
06-14-2013 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Faith
06-14-2013 1:05 PM


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NOBODY IS GRASPING AT ANYTHING.
Except for your clutching at straws,
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THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OCCURS INTUITIVELY
And your point is ?
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THERE IS NO WAY THERE COULD BE A PERFECT MATCH WITH THE REVELATION IMAGE, IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
I'll ask again. Why not ? And nobody is objecting that it isn't perfect, we're pointing out that it isn't even a halfway good match for the Revelation image and in fact is clearly a depiction of a quite different, well-known and appropriate image.
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WHAT WE HAVE IS A SUGGESTIVE IMPRESSION. PERIOD. AND MANY OF US ARRIVED AT IT INDEPENDENTLY. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?
Isn't a better question what is the matter with you ?

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Message 304 of 313 (701369)
06-18-2013 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by foreveryoung
06-17-2013 6:38 PM


Why assume a Greek source rather than Jewish ? Isn't the whole idea of beasts representing empires straight out of Daniel ?

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Message 307 of 313 (803956)
04-06-2017 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 305 by Davidjay
04-05-2017 5:17 PM


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I'm not an endtime prophecy buff, usually I leave the speculation about it alone. Too much other stuff to worry about than when the world's going to end. However, I heard (sadly, didn't obtain) a very convincing article (author unknown to me)relating to negotiations by someone named Javier Solona. If I remember correctly he's the foreign affairs guy in the European Union. He's currently working on a seven year peace treaty involving 17(?) countries in the middle east, including Isreal, for some economic reasons - letting them into the EU trading block. The peace treaty would come into effect on January 1, 2007. It would be reviewed at the 3 1/2 mark.
This has to be a careless cut-and-paste job. A seven-year treaty that came into effect on January 1 2007 would have expired 3 years ago.

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