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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
It's a shame that the authors are also liars and loonies. Yet how do we know who is truthful and who isnt? When it comes to faith, we cant simply use evidence based applicability. There are a lot more things that we cant see in life than what we can see.
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jar Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You look at what they say that can be tested.
And when you find they lie about the simple stuff that can be tested like the age of the earth or if the Biblical Flood ever happened why would any reasonable person trust anything that they say?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Yet how do we know who is truthful and who isnt? Well one good rule of thumb is that anyone who describes Gould as a "Marxist" is a God-damned liar.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Anyone that uses Richard Milton as an authority on anything can be justifiable ignored.
quote:Source Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
jar writes: There actually is searching and questioning going on in "contemporary Christianity" and I would be more than happy to point you towards such sources. What types of questions are people asking? What on earth are we searching for? Seems to me that we have found Gods character alive within us...(Jesus) but perhaps you may accuse me of taking the cheap and easy solution being sold. I will agree that humans are expected to think and ask questions, but I feel that we are making a big mistake if we never agree on any tentative answers, nevermind permanent ones.
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
You look at what they say that can be tested. Would you not agree that the Flood story is more of a parable?
And when you find they lie about the simple stuff that can be tested like the age of the earth or if the Biblical Flood ever happened why would any reasonable person trust anything that they say?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6194 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Would you not agree that the Flood story is more of a parable?
Yes, obviously! But try to tell that to a creationist.
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jar Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Seems to me that we have found Gods character alive within us...(Jesus) but perhaps you may accuse me of taking the cheap and easy solution being sold. I'd say that doesn't even have any meaning and is just word salad.
Phat writes: What types of questions are people asking? Why is what is called Evangelical or Fundamental or Biblical Christianity today so wedded to lies, ignorance, denial, injustice and dishonesty?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What I think is irrelevant.
But when someone today claims that the Biblical Flood actually happened or the the Earth is young or that there really was an Adam and Steve or Tower of Babel I know they liars and so I should doubt anything and everything they have to say.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
jar writes: I don't disagree with this statement except that I don't think it is all that we are supposed to do. I think the Gospel is totally different. I think the Gospel is that GOD tells us it's okay to fail, but it is not okay not to try. On the one hand you ask the ongoing question of how do we know it is GOD. Good question in that it is impossible to fully understand the creator of all seen and unseen. And yet you also say that we are expected to correct God as was done in the Bible during times prior. So how does one correct someone who is essentially unknowable?
jar writes: ...others have commented that I don't talk about my relationship with GOD. Such Testifying is a big part of the Christian Cult of Ignorance. Oh, it might make folk feel good, or even raise a joyful sound, but what does it mean? How is it tested? Teachers will be judged more seriously than others due to their influence and being respected members of the community and who are in positions of trust.(officially or unofficially) Telling people that the source is unimportant and that GOD could care less whether or not we believe in "Her" are in my opinion slippery slopes.
jar writes: Well according to you we can correct her when She is wrong! We can't do anything for GOD. Come on, She created the whole universe. What the hell can we do for someone who can create all that is, seen and unseen?![]() jar writes: In my opinion, we can ask the Spirit of GOD into our heart---that is---in communion with us. It may well be our responsibility to try and do our best but we cannot do it alone. In this case the source is important. All that we can do is try to do for others, for the world we live in, for plants and animals the environment, for friends and enemies and for children and knowledge. All we can do is try to do our best, honestly try to evaluate our behavior, honestly acknowledge when we do wrong, try to make amends when we do screw up and try to do better in the future. That really is all that we can do. It really is that simple.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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jar Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
More word salad Phat.
Phat writes: In my opinion, we can ask the Spirit of GOD into our heart---that is---in communion with us. It may well be our responsibility to try and do our best but we cannot do it alone. In this case the source is important. What the hell does any of that mean? Will you finally after being asked for over a decade tell us how someone can know they are in communion with God and how God can actually do anything a human cannot?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
First of all, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it can and does not happen. I realize your position on the issue, however.
In What Is Christianity you claim that GOD IS. You claim that Jesus died for everyone, including atheists. Thus unlike most of the chapters in Christianity, you dislike the idea of a GOD who "picks" who shall be saved based on certain criteria. (Such as having communion with only some of the people. ) Based on your own belief and your choice to reject much of the Gospel of John as inspirational, there really isn't a way to explain anything to you in regards to Spiritual versus Natural. The point of contention between us seems to be your general disdain for Evangelical Christianity as practiced and believed in much of America and the world today. You claim that GOD likely doesnt care whether or not we even believe in "Her". You also claim that in order for anything to make sense about GOD, Jesus while among us was only human. It seems that to you, Christianity is nothing more than a willful human practice and that there is no mystery, no woo factor and no spiritual dynamic that only some of the people understand. Here is where we agree. GOD IS. Where we disagree is the nature of such a Being.
WHY BELIEVE? By Stephen Evans writes: In summation, my idea and belief about Christianity is about a knowable God who desires to commune with humanity, whereas your idea is about humanity only needing a basic charge and responsibility to do unto others...while God is unknowable and largely unimportant in daily life.
In short, the God of Christianity is highly individualized.(...) Such a God is highly embarrassing and irritating to many, precisely because He is so very personal. It is all well and good to believe in a God who is thought of in vague terms as "a moral force" or "the power of being." Such a God will probably not interfere too much with my basic plans and values.Will you finally after being asked for over a decade tell us how someone can know they are in communion with God and how God can actually do anything a human cannot? People can believe. They will never objectively know that they are in communion, until and unless they experience it. As far as God can do something a human cannot, I can only say that such a question is ridiculous at best. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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jar Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again Phat, stop misrepresenting what I post. I make few claims that I do not also support with reasoned arguments or point out that it is a matter of my beliefs and may well be wrong.
And in the thread you used as a supporting link, I point out that there really doesn't seem to be any possible definition of Christianity that goes beyond self identification or membership in one of the Chapters of Club Christian.
Phat writes: You claim that Jesus died for everyone, including atheists. I seriously doubt you can find anywhere that I made such a claim or even where I claim that Jesus died for anyone. In fact I have said repeatedly that Jesus death was inevitable if Jesus was born and that Jesus death was not even unusual since at least two others died the same way on the same day and in the same place.
Phat writes: You also claim that in order for anything to make sense about GOD, Jesus while among us was only human. Again, that is NOT what I say. I say that for Christianity to make sense as something different than the Greek or Roman theology as an example, Jesus must have been only human while living with us.
Phat writes: In summation, my idea and belief about Christianity is about a knowable God who desires to commune with humanity, whereas your idea is about humanity only needing a basic charge and responsibility to do unto others...while God is unknowable and largely unimportant in daily life. Stop misrepresenting what I say Phat. You claim that you know god and commune with god and I ask "How do you know that it is god you are communing with?" and you never answer.
Phat writes: So you say that you can do anything that god can do? As far as God can do something a human cannot, I can only say that such a question is ridiculous at best. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
jar writes: No. I believe that Jesus was and is God. Despite this, Jesus didn't walk around like superman or like Jim Carey in Bruce Almighty. So you say that you can do anything that god can do? I agree with you that Jesus was human. Whether or not he was also God is irrelevant because he never used that---as far as we know---to any unfair advantage. What he did have was an intuition into the hearts and minds of others. He also had a strong relationship with his father, creator of all seen and unseen. Chambers describes it thus: quote:Perhaps you feel and believe that doing your best every day is as close as you can get to communion. Your analytical mind has never understood communion and I for one dont understand it enough to explain it to you. I am still learning Who He Is. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Rosebrough is a conservative Lutheran who is not out to make a ton of money as Benny Hinn did. He interviews Hinns Nephew and the conversation exemplifies some key points regarding mainstream Club Christian versus Evangelical Club Money.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith ![]() |
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