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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We recognize it as reflecting the woman on the beast in Revelation whether you like it or not.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, now, Panda says I'm lying that we recognize it as the Revelation beast so you are in disagreement with him. And "whether you like it or not" includes your opinion that it doesn't look enough like the beast of Revelation to satisfy YOUR judgment. That's fine, but WE do find it very interestingly suggestive "whether you think so or not." Why do you all insist on making us think like you do? Leave it alone already.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Now if you want to argue that God doesn't want people who speak different languages to work together, I guess you'd have a case, but I very much doubt that any of the traditions you favour interpret the Bible that way. God wanted the people to disperse, He did not want them to "work together" at the specific project of "making a name for themselves" with attempts to reach the heights of God, and that's why He confounded their tongues. It did succeed in getting them to disperse. I should also mention finally that we consider that God began to repair the curse of the confounding of tongues at Pentecost.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If now you think I'm lying about what you think I'm lying about, what DO you think I'm lying about? From my point of view I'm not lying about anything.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't make it up, Ringo, it's what a number of commentators on the Tower of Babel say, both about the dispersion and about the height. They couldn't replenish the earth without dispersing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I really don't get what you think you are saying. What they were refusing to do was to disperse, the dispersal that was necessary for replenishing the earth.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are right about that being the best evidence for this particular claim. I'm going by the commentaries because I haven't studied or meditated on the incident myself, and until I do that I'm not going to find fault with the commentators who have a good reputation. When a number of them agree it's a pretty good sign they have a good understanding of the passage.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Babel is in the general vicinity of where Noah and family debarked, the dispersal called for was across the entire world.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"General vicinity" means the Middle East basically, probably you have a smaller area in mind than I did. Nobody knows for sure where the ark landed but one likely area is in Asia Minor or what is now Turkey, and Babel was founded southeast from there, maybe about a thousand miles, but hardly as far as God commanded them to disperse. India, China, Africa, Europe would have been more like "replenishing the earth."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is of course a very subjective judgment. Some Christians happen to judge the statue of Europa as I've described. Yours doesn't even involve a beast but you think it's the equivalent of ours?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes you can tick off all those differences and to your mind that makes us wrong. Again, this is all a subjective judgment, we CAN'T be wrong. This argument is really ridiculous. We're perfectly capable of toting up the differences ourselves. Obviously to us that's all unnecessary, but since you think it's necessary you actually think that makes you RIGHT?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Somehow "we can't be wrong" because there is no absolute certainty possible in such a subjective case translates in your mind to absolute certainty? The point is nobody could be right OR wrong on such a judgment call. What is the point in even trying to talk to people who think like you?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No desperation involved. A bunch of us IMMEDIATELY saw the Europa statue in terms of the woman on the beast in Revelation. Straightforward recognition. All the "objective" stuff is absolutely irrelevant.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
WHO SAID THE APPEARANCE OF THE STATUE IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT? Obviously it has to have a woman on the back of a beast. That it's got.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Like I said we immediately see the connection. Woman riding beast. We don't "determine" anything. Why is so much being made out of this very simple thing? There is no way there COULD be an exact match, all we COULD have is a hint at a similarity. Beast, woman riding. Very basic. But alone it probably wouldn't mean much. The shape of the building that reminds us of the Tower of Babel, the flag with the twelve stars in a circle that its designer saw as related to the Catholic interpretation of the woman in Revelation 12, the supposedly empty 666 seat which somebody said isn't empty but others say is. This is not some kind of hard and fast correspondence here, this is a collection of suggestions that some Christians find intriguing and in keeping with our understanding of how the last days are to play out. I don't hold any of it with an iron grip, it's all simply interestingly suggestive, nothing to deserve all this argument.
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