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andygee
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Message 36 of 46 (700679)
06-05-2013 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Dr Adequate
06-05-2013 12:18 PM


Re: Honesty
Well, sadly, no one has taken my little quiz, so we may be far apart on what the honesty of a book is/ The author of Henry the 6th did not mean to instruct people to kill all the lawyers. The author of Henry the 6th did mean to point out that people who deal with lawyers generally wind up trying to kill them. Is HENRY honest? is BILL honest? is DICK honest?
Many years ago, before political correctness, my English teacher brought in actual pickles and donuts when teaching Ethan Fromm to give us a little visual aid. Was the author honest describing lunch as pickles and donuts? Looking back on it, I only wish he taught The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe and brought in a prop for the dusty, old furs.
The Bible is a thrilling story, stories convey information by what happens to people based on the choices they make. Whoever put in the code - God himself, or J, or E, or L, or p's 1 through 5, or anyone else, was putting in a true authenticator.
Over half the world aligns itself around the Abraham story. There are something like 10,000 different sects, cults, denominations, and movements and historically, most of them spend their time killing, excoriating, dehumanizing, excommunicating, exploiting, and abusing each other. I wonder what would happen if such a true authenticator were ever to be accepted.

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andygee
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Message 38 of 46 (700721)
06-06-2013 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by PaulK
06-06-2013 2:22 AM


Sheshach:
it's spelled with a caph not a koph.
(Jer 25:26), supposed to be equivalent to Babel (Babylon), according to a secret (cabalistic) mode of writing among the Jews of unknown antiquity, which consisted in substituting the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet for the first, the last but one for the second, and so on. Thus the letters sh, sh, ch become b, b, l, i.e., Babel. This is supposed to be confirmed by a reference to Jer 51:41, where Sheshach and Babylon are in parallel clauses. There seems to be no reason to doubt that Babylon is here intended by this name. (See Streane's Jeremiah, l.c.)
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The lice dates move around, but I'm sticking with the original.
An evolutionary comparison of human head and body lice has shed light on the history of clothing.
A team based in Germany has worked out that humans probably first began wearing clothes 72,000 years ago - give or take 40,000 years.
Their calculation is based on the fact that as species evolve, they become distinct by inhabiting different environments and gradually changing to suit them.
While head lice live solely on the human scalp, body lice prefer to inhabit those areas covered by clothing.
Molecular clock
Dr Mark Stoneking's team, from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, worked out when the two organisms began to diverge and became distinct species.
They compared DNA sequences from both types of lice, arriving at their result by counting the number of DNA mutations.
"DNA mutations occur at a roughly constant rate over time, so if you know what that rate is, you can use the number of mutations between head and body lice to estimate when body lice arose," explained Dr Stoneking.
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At the end of Day 6, we eat fruit, we can manipulate the environment by means of communication, and we copulate without regard to personal relationships. Coming out of Eden, now we have a big head (painful birth) and have relations with people we love (her desire is to her husband) and we move from fruit to bread. Two things determine intelligence -- brain weight to body weight ratio, and surface area to volume ratio of the brain. Edenic people had small heads with complex brains, QED. A. sediba appears to have a Broca's reason. You bet that the A. sediba discovery came before my analysis, and I say it didn't. Nyah.

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andygee
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Message 40 of 46 (700743)
06-06-2013 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by PaulK
06-06-2013 1:48 PM


caph or kaph looks like a backwards "c" and it's the 11th letter, between yod and lamed.
I can certainly pick the study I like for sentimental reasons; ALL of the studies have wide margins of error, no one has found any actual fossilized clothing dating back that far, and the important point about this event is that it is so far away from the other events on the Seth line. Have we talked about milk and camels yet? You'd have a field day roasting me on those dates. All of the scientific dates have imprecision and all could be impeached but taken together they provide confidence in the algorithm.
The end of Day 6 -- our ancestors well and truly on the path to becoming us -- is when "Adam" grunts or gestures to "Eve" that the bananas are too ripe and she grunts or gestures back you know, try leaning on your elbows. That's from my beloved anthropology professor and I have had o reason to doubt her these past 35 years.
I beg to differ. The plain text is clearly referencing head size, estrus, and the move from foraging to agriculture; the blessing to Adam and Eve upon their expulsion from Eden was said by God, and so it is on the God line. When I was a kid, people were theorizing large-brained apes. A little later it changed to pin-headed people. Now it looks like smart pin-headed people. The science is catching up to the plain text, just like Hoyle's last stand for the steady-state universe gave way to EST from a zero-point, as in Gen 1.
And now a question for you, Paul... How many data points would satisfy you? The work as a whole also includes Cain and cain's Lamech sub-lines which may or may not properly date tents, the marginalization of nomads, beginning of cities, orchestral music, and the Iron and Bronze ages.
And another question: what would it mean to you personally if it was evident that somebody knew what time it was for real 3,500 years ago?

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andygee
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Message 43 of 46 (700824)
06-07-2013 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by PaulK
06-07-2013 1:40 AM


Okay, tall brick structures are dated precisely. Wine is dated precisely. The last time there was something not quite human that could cross-breed with humans is dated precisely. Circumcision moving from Africa to Asia is dated precisely. The earliest date for an inter-continenetal wagon trip originating in Egypt is very likely dated precisely.
The Thera / Mt. Santorini event caused world-wide flora disruption for years. If you allow that Thera caused famine in the Eastern Mediteranean, then the famine is dated preceisely. If you allow that a switch from grass skirts to leather jackets implies a cooling environment, then the Mt. Tobu (now Lake Tobu) event is dated precisely. The date of Hyksos in Egypt is dated precisely.
The Genesis text has men coming to Abraham's tent being served burgers and shakes. The same family, having interbred with Africans for 456 years, had to be told to make sure all the dairy was kept separate from the meat. I'm appealing to "Oral Torah" at this point with the justification that ancient-Canaan archeology shows that pots were not used to prepare milk and meat at the same time.
Lactase persistence is at all times associated with domestication of grazing mammals. Genetic analysis of lactase persistence spreading out from the Arabian Penninsula gives a date for LP of 2,000 BC or so, and camels would have been the only game in town; however, this is much earlier than conventional thinking about dromedary domestication.
BTW, the original lice study did in fact have a margin of error of over 60%.
Also BTW, every date is in fact based on current understanding (or legitimate divergent views) of when the events happened. The algorithm provides no absolute dates. The chronological information in Genisis and Exodus forms up after being run through the algorithm on three lines, and the lines can be overlayed on the real dating.
And I see you're a Deuterogenesis man. I leave the High Criticism to the experts. Do you see Adam actually doing any gardening work?
I'm not sure what you mean by at odds with reality. I can spend some library time, but I'm quite certain I recall that the path to us used to be thought of as starting with a large-brained ape. Then again, the first encyclopedai I ever saw had eight planets, the last of which was named Herschel.
As for the age of Genesis, the syncretic parts comprising it are certainly older; the plain text would have it being delivered between about 1500 and 1200 BC. It definitely would have been in recognizable shape around the time of Josiah.

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andygee
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Message 44 of 46 (700826)
06-07-2013 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by NoNukes
06-07-2013 2:01 AM


Re: numerology?
There is a special MEANING to the CALCULATIONS if the algorithm becomes accepted, just like there is a special meaning to Maxwell's equations because they let us work with electromagnetism.
18 has a "special relationship" to life in Hebrew numerology because the numeric value of Chai, life, is 18.
These are two completely different things.

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