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No, the expansion started only slowly and has since accelerated, in the manner of any Inward Expansion. Inward Expansion? Don't you mean contraction? If you were right, then we'd have a lot of blue-shifted galaxies speeding towards us. But we don't, they're all red-shifted because they're moving away from us.
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Okay, Catholic Scientist- With air going into a vacuum-cleaner, the air loses pressure as it approaches the nozzle and that's the same thing as expansion. Where is the contraction? The air molecules that are moving inwards to the nozzle. Some of them will be moving towards other air molecules.
Our Universe is a vortex, like the Milky Way - but if it passes thru' a particularly dense part of space, it could grow. That's why I don't like to say it's contracting. Then many of the galaxies would be moving towards other ones. But when we look at the galaxies, almost every single one is moving away from us. If many of them were moving inwards, then we should see them doing that, but we don't.
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Catholic Scientist, the air enters the nozzle in its most expanded state and at its highest speed, You're thinking this would be blue shifted? If galaxies were following the same kind of pattern, then some of them would be moving towards us and they would be blue-shifted.
Why would this cause the Galaxies to approach each other? I don't understand that. Please explain. The tip of the nozzle is smaller in size than the room it is sucking from. That means that some of the air molecules have to move towards each other. Here's a vortex:
The portions to the right of the center are pointed towards the portions right below them. They are moving towards each other. If they were galaxies, one would appear blue-shifted to the other.
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The only kind of expansion that accelerates is Inward.
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No, Catholic Scientist, you're wrong. Air moving towards the nozzle of a Central-Vac... Okay, so we have a Vac in the center of a room. All the air is moving towards it. The air on the left side of the room is moving towards the center of the room and the air on the right side of the room is moving towards the center of the room. Therefore, the air on the left side of the room is moving towards the air on the right side of the room and the air on the right side of the room is moving towards the air on the left side of the room. Do you understand that?
...will lose pressure and that's the same as expansion. Not necessarily. Take an amount of an ideal gas and confine it to a fixed volume so that it cannot expand. Then, lower the temperature of that gas. The pressure lowers and the gas does not expand. PV=nRT
When things expand, they move away from each other. If the case of our vortex example, things are moving towards each other in the X-Y plane (left or right and up or down on your computer screen), the direction they are moving away from each other is in the Z-direction (back into the depths of your screen). Before the air starts going into the vacuum, expanding into the depths of your screen, they are moving towards each other (from the left and right of the screen towards the center). Do you understand?
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Just as I say, Catholic Scientist, explosions begin by accelerating. What you said was:
quote: That is a false statement. While the explosion is exploding, the expansion is accelerating outward.
The accelerating expansion of the Observable Universe is ongoing, drawn by Gravity towards a Central Point, just like I describe in my "Observational Evidence," on page 1. Your description has been proven wrong. If you were right, we would see a lot of blue shifted galaxies... but we don't.
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Here's a donut:
Its barycenter is in the middle of the hole. How could that have the highest average density when there is no mass there?
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Nobody, not even you, Catholic Scientist, can see beyond the Observable Universe (OU). Do you agree or disagree? Yes, I understand. Air on the left will be moving towards the air on the right, And they would be blue-shifted to each other, regardless of what is beyond the observable universe. Face it, your vortex idea is refuted.
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Catholic Scientist, in your example of a donut, let me ask you, where is the center of mass? Where is the barycenter? Where is the 'average density'greatest? At the barycenter, of course, but you'll ,never see that, so I don't want to argue about the barycenter any more, ,not with you! The barycenter is the center of mass... its in the middle of the hole, the density there is zero. The average density for the donut only has one value, there is no greater or lesser one.
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Catholic Scientist, I don't want to argue 'barycenter' with you. I think there are more interesting matters within the Observable Universe (OU) don't you? Well hold on... You're finally beginning to realize the error of your ways and now you want to run away from it? You're not going to get any respect with that attitude, Peter.
This 'accelerating expansion' the OU is engaged in. The only kind of expansion that accelerates and keeps accelerating is Inward. Did you read my 'Observational Evidence' on page 1? If you haven't, I think you should.
Yes, I've read it. I've watched your youtube video. I'm familiar with your idea. I've already refuted it, it is wrong. And your 'Observational Evidence' is terribly weak. You don't have any reason to think the universe as a whole behaves like air flying towards a vacuum other than a few superficial similarities. Your argument is as inane as this:
That's essentially what we're all dealing with here, Peter.
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