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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Please spare me the rants, don't take me for some scientific illiterate, that's your first mistake. Your second is never reading anything about your own theory, just what you have heard repeated over and over. Big Bang Theory quote: That's just an explanation for laypeople. In their efforts to simplify the concept for easier understanding, they end up bringing on some inaccuracies. As I said, the singularity is not a thing that can do stuff. It a state of the universe. That is, the universe exists at that point in spacetime. The singularity did not "create" the Universe. I mean, I can find you websites that describe the big bang as a explosion, but the scientific explanation is not really like an explosion. Me dropping a link to that website is not showing you that the big band was an explosion.
So in reality you have NO math to base anything on as relativity completely fails at your imaginary event horizon. You were talking about Dark Matter and Black Holes... those things do have math to base them on. As does The Singularity.
Since it seems everyones theory is as good as another's at this point I would say the fact that the math breaks down should give you a clue something is not right in wonderland. Well yeah, its kind of a unique point in the universe. I'd expect things to get a little crazy.
I don't need to express the points in those links, your scientists did it for me quite clearly. NASA - Satellite Footprints Seen in Jupiter's Aurora quote: I'm not sure what that's referring to or why you even posted it.
99.99% plasma is common knowledge, except to those that deny those electric currents they see in space. Even NASA will tell you that. NASA - The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target Oh, I see. It doesn't mean what I thought you were saying it meant. Can you express what it means in your own words or not? Can you explain it to me without linking to a website? You said that 99.99% of the universe is plasma, what does that mean? Now this one:
Plasma - Wikipedia(physics) has this to say:
quote: Do you think that contradicts your other statements? Why or why not?
So it might be just a tad bit important to learn a little about what plasma is and how it behaves, don't you think? That's probably better advice for you. What are you, in your early 20's? You've read and understood some layman's explanations of cosmological science, and you've gotten all cocky and think you know something? And now you're gonna come here and learn us all about what you know? Well you've failed at the first step. Your explanations of things expose some pretty basic ignorance and misunderstandings. To redeem yourself, start with explaining, in your own words without links to other websites, what it means that "the universe is 99.99% plasma".
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Panda Member (Idle past 3941 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
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{abe}Pipped at the post by CS. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
We don't debate by link. Express the points in those links in your own words and provide them for backup. I'll save you some time. I followed the three links. One was to an article on the 'Northern Lights, the second was to an article about the magnetosphere of Saturn and Saturnian auroras, the third pointed to an article discussing the electric field around Jupiter. No support at all for his 99+% plasma theory. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 3398 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
Don't take my word for the 99% figure, but I hope you will give some consideration to NASA.
NASA - The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target But I am sure NASA just must be wrong too. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given.
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 3398 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
Why explain the sun to someone that will ignore all the evidence anyways? Your very own books say the universe is 99% plasma and theyve ignored it for over 100 years. if you were actually curious I'd show you were to find the answers you seek, but you seek no answers, and this I know because you argue against 99% plasma when your own books proclaim it.
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_cr.html#plasma Ok, granted, that ignores that 96% of an invisible fairy dust exists called dark matter, but then you would not need that fairy dust if you just considered plasma. Introduction to Plasma Physics: With Space and Laboratory Applications - D. A. Gurnett, A. Bhattacharjee - Google Books French Silk - Sandra Brown - Google Books Analytical and Numerical Methods for Wave Propagation in Fluid Media - K. Murawski - Google Books Plasma Physics: Third Edition - K. Nishikawa, M. Wakatani, M Wakatani - Google Books It's been known to be 99% plasma for over 100 years. Can give you a few hundred more links to mainstream books if you need them, by the very same people that then try to hide that fact. After all, they hid it from you. The've lied to you and told you it isn't, so ask yourself, what else are they lying about if they won't accept the very facts they say exist? Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : spelling Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
So you can't back up your claims and you cannot rebut the refutations of your arguments.
All you can do is post accusations and drop bare links. Good to know. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 3398 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
quote: Yes, as I expected, ignore the facts to keep your fantasy alive, so let me help you out since you can't seem to read without having someone tell you what it says. Introduction to Plasma Physics: With Space and Laboratory Applications - D. A. Gurnett, A. Bhattacharjee - Google Books
quote: French Silk - Sandra Brown - Google Books
quote: Analytical and Numerical Methods for Wave Propagation in Fluid Media - K. Murawski - Google Books
quote: Plasma Physics: Third Edition - K. Nishikawa, M. Wakatani, M Wakatani - Google Books
quote: But actually I could care less what hardheaded people like you believe, I am debating for all the rational people that will read this and see your arguments for what they are. Ignorance and a refusal to accept the truth for what it is. By making such absurd claims against the very facts your theory teaches you only brings more people to my side, for which I thank you profusely! Great work, couldn't have planned that better myself!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Nobody has joined your side because you haven't even staked one out yet.
All you can do is make accusations and drop bare links. You might as well be arguing for a young Earth. Now, I'll give you one last chance to redeem yourself:
quote: Can you even do that? You've inputted a lot of words, but I don't believe that you even know what they mean. If you do know what they mean, then you should have no problem explaining it in your own words without links to websites. Kinda like I did in Message 268 when I wrote:
quote: Now's your time to shine. Show us what you know.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I don't need to express the points in those links, your scientists did it for me quite clearly. NASA - Satellite Footprints Seen in Jupiter's Aurora quote: 99.99% plasma is common knowledge, except to those that deny those electric currents they see in space. Even NASA will tell you that.NASA - The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target Plasma - Wikipedia(physics) Don't take my word for the 99% figure, but I hope you will give some consideration to NASA. NASA - The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target But I am sure NASA just must be wrong too. Why explain the sun to someone that will ignore all the evidence anyways? Your very own books say the universe is 99% plasma and theyve ignored it for over 100 years. if you were actually curious I'd show you were to find the answers you seek, but you seek no answers, and this I know because you argue against 99% plasma when your own books proclaim it. http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_cr.html#plasma Ok, granted, that ignores that 96% of an invisible fairy dust exists called dark matter, but then you would not need that fairy dust if you just considered plasma. Introduction to Plasma Physics: With Space and Laboratory Applications - D. A. Gurnett, A. Bhattacharjee - Google Books French Silk - Sandra Brown - Google Books Analytical and Numerical Methods for Wave Propagation in Fluid Media - K. Murawski - Google Books Plasma Physics: Third Edition - K. Nishikawa, M. Wakatani, M Wakatani - Google Books It's been known to be 99% plasma for over 100 years. Can give you a few hundred more links to mainstream books if you need them, by the very same people that then try to hide that fact. After all, they hid it from you. The've lied to you and told you it isn't, so ask yourself, what else are they lying about if they won't accept the very facts they say exist? So, to summarize: * All scientists everywhere believe the same things as you do, and in fact you're merely repeating what they say. * All scientists everywhere reject your beliefs because they're too bigoted and/or brainwashed to accept them. * You can prove that all scientists agree with you because of the stuff they all put on their websites and publish in their books for everyone to read. * They are all engaged in a vast conspiracy to lie, to conceal the truth, and to hide the fact that you're right. This is why you can prove the correctness of your opinions with reference to: "a few hundred more links to mainstream books [...] by the very same people that then try to hide that fact". They're not very good at hiding facts, aren't they? Now if I wanted to hide a fact, I wouldn't publish a few hundred mainstream books asserting that it was true. Apparently the filthy deceitful liars whose word you take as gospel and rely on as the basis for your views are not merely mendacious but also deeply stupid, which is why we should accept their word that you're right. --- We're used to crazy people on these forums, but usually their delusions, no matter how far removed from reality, display some measure of internal consistency. You're not even trying. You're being mad in a lazy half-assed sort of way, and have served us up with half-baked paranoid lunacy. You've got a Vast Conspiracy To Conceal The Truth, well done. And you've got your Heroic Legions Of Truthiness, that's good. But it doesn't seem to have occurred to you that in a proper paranoid conspiracy theory, they're not meant to be the same people. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 3398 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
What it means that the universe is 99% plasma is that the universe operates mostly by the laws of electrodynamics, hence the title of Einsteins paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies". That you ignore this law upon which all of relativity rests is why you have no valid explanation for galactic rotation curves, except to hypothesise the existence of imaginary matter never observed or detected. If you included this force that binds the very atom you would realize no fairy dust was required. The electrical force is 10^36 powers stronger than gravity, which is why in the vast open stretches of the universe and galaxies the electrical force dominates. Only in isolated pockets where enough matter has condensed in one spot (such as our solar system), does the force of gravity become stronger.
Although since no one knows what gravity is, or what causes it, it may indeed be electrical in nature. Why don't you look up a gravitational map of the moon and a magnetic map of the moon (since we have mapped both extensively) and see if any corrolation between the two exists????? let me know the results of your study, even though I already know the answer, you might find it interesting. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What it means that the universe is 99% plasma is that the universe operates mostly by the laws of electrodynamics, hence the title of Einsteins paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies". That you ignore this law upon which all of relativity rests is why you have no valid explanation for galactic rotation curves, except to hypothesise the existence of imaginary matter never observed or detected. If you included this force that binds the very atom you would realize no fairy dust was required. The electrical force is 10^36 powers stronger than gravity, which is why in the vast open stretches of the universe and galaxies the electrical force dominates. Only in isolated pockets where enough matter has condensed in one spot (such as our solar system), does the force of gravity become stronger. Although since no one knows what gravity is, or what causes it, it may indeed be electrical in nature. Why don't you look up a gravitational map of the moon and a magnetic map of the moon (since we have mapped both extensively) and see if any corrolation between the two exists????? let me know the results of your study, even though I already know the answer, you might find it interesting. Some people find scientific illiteracy tragic, I find it amusing. Sometimes I wonder if this makes me a bad person or merely a lucky one.
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 3398 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
Thats the typical response of those studying pseudoscience, to attempt to attack the character of a person because one has no other reponse to give. So I forgive you!
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Thats the typical response of those studying pseudoscience, to attempt to attack the character of a person because one has no other reponse to give. So I forgive you! I did not attack your character in that post, and am at a loss to know why you pretended that I did so.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3941 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Dr. A writes:
But ... but ... that is the genius of it! This is why you can prove the correctness of your opinions with reference to: "a few hundred more links to mainstream books [...] by the very same people that then try to hide that fact". The best place to hide something is in plain sight - yes?So you take the truth about plasma and you hide it in books and on the internet and on television. No-one will be able to see that truth because it is under our very noses! And this extensive proliferation and propagation of information is conclusive proof that scientists are trying to keep that information secret!! Obviously. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What it means that the universe is 99% plasma is that the universe operates mostly by the laws of electrodynamics, No, that's a ramification. What is the statement saying?
Although since no one knows what gravity is, Its the effect you see from the bending of spacetime by some mass.
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