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Author | Topic: Federal Court & U.S. Supreme Court Ruling: Atheism is Religion | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
NoNukes Inactive Member
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Atheism is a religion according to a 2005 Wisconsin Federal Court ruling on the matter of Kaufman v. McCaughtry, as well as the Torcaso v. Watkins case that was affirmed by the 1961 U.S. Supreme Court--the highest court in the land--where court rulings become national law Not exactly. Kaufman v. McCaughtry held that atheism was 'equivalent' to a religion, for the purposes of the First Amendment.
quote: If you want to make more of the holding than that, then you aren't following the holdings of the courts. You are off on a personal quest that none of us need care about. As for Torcaso v. Watkins, there is a footnote that lists Secular Humanism as a religion, however the holding says the following (emphasis mine):
quote: In short regardless of whether atheism is a belief or a non belief, the holding still applies. The words 'atheist' and 'atheism' never appear in the Torcaso opinion. So is atheism a religion? Only in the same sense that not going to soccer matches is an activity.
according to them, non-belief in God is proof positive that they are not religious. That argument would be stupid. I have never encountered an atheist on this site making such an argument. I intend this to be my last post on this topic, so perhaps there is no need to respond to this post. I do find your ridiculous Hitler/Stalin comparison quite beyond the pale. You would do well not to continue to use it. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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The bottom of the story is that Alter2Ego did not tell the truth about the findings in those court cases. I wonder why Alter2Ego did this? Alter2Ego's post is sufficiently within sniffing distance of the truth to allow asking some of those pointed YES/NO 'have you stopped beating your wife yet' type questions. Isn't that the type of 'reasoning' we've come to expect? Yes, footnote 11 that Alter2Ego refers to is present in the opinion, but the footnote is not the opinion of the court, nor is it part of the reasoning behind the court's opinion. It is the opinion of the one Justice selected to write the opinion, which does not make the footnote the law of the law. As Coyote said, it is dicta only.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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People of religious groups have used religion as an excuse to commit crimes against humanity. You don't believe, for example, that people in Massachusetts burned witches because they actually believed that witches were evil?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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There was a grand total of 19 "witches" killed in the hysteria in Massachusetts, as compared with hundreds upon hundreds killed in Europe through the Middle Ages by the Catholic Church. Nineteen hanged, another squeezed to death, 5 more died in prison. Maybe 50 others put into prison in 1692. None burned. And that isn't all of the executions for witchcraft in MA, just the ones in 1692. I appreciate the correction on the manner of death. But for the rest, whose point are you trying to make here? My point is only that the execution of witches was not an attempt for a church to grab political power or wealth. Do you disagree with that? Is there an argument that the various executions for witchcraft that occurred in the 17th century in New England were not religiously motivated? Does calling them mass hysteria change the answer?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
His OP is nothing but misrepresentation of reality at best and probably lies in reality. From OP of Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
Scientific evidence shows there is extreme precision in everything around us in the natural world. This precision renders the evolution theory and Big Bang theory mere fiction, because both theories rely on accidents or spontaneous events. Precision leaves no room for error or for accidental events. Rather, precision requires deliberation. From OP of PROOF: Judeo-Christian Bible Inspired of God
Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE) How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing, indicating gravity, considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces--3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing? And of course this thread.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Bad idea.
Edited by NoNukes, : Avoid a goring...Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Insert boring homily about squeezing turnips and expecting something different this one time.
We didn't even get vegetable juice. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass |
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