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Ben!
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Message 181 of 189 (167517)
12-12-2004 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by The Dread Dormammu
12-12-2004 6:11 PM


Re: And by the way.
It's just that simple. It's not reproducable.
I don't have anything more to add. I'll leave it up to you to agree or not.

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Message 182 of 189 (167647)
12-13-2004 8:42 AM


The recording would be reproducible; it is on that basis that remote knowledge of things out of our immediate experience can be gained.
Ifen, if the photon:retina reaction is not valid - and I allow it may not be - then this still does not rule out reproducibility. If a house is said to be haunted and everyone who gays in sees the ssame ghost, thens its also reproducible. At the very least we would end up with biometric and video recordings of someone undergoing the experience, even if no discernable cause for those feelings in the subject could be seen.
Then at least we would know SOMETHING is happening. And that would be a vigorous step in the right direction.

  
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Message 183 of 189 (670437)
08-15-2012 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by jar
12-08-2004 12:28 PM


Re: Gravity isn't the issue here
jar writes:
Until there is some evidence for sprites, spirits, demons of ghosts, there can be no theories related to them.
I suppose that a theory, by definition, needs to be measurable and not just hearsay.

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Phat
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Message 184 of 189 (697020)
04-20-2013 12:44 PM


WOO
Part II
OK, so I too have "seen" this sort of stuff...so i don't think this guy is making it up.
Phat,from message#110 writes:
One school of thought agrees with you somewhat in that these non-corporeal entities DO interact with humans in various ways.
The other school of thought labels all such events into imagination and fantasy, much like unicorns, leprechauns, and fairies.
A science- minded and logical person will most likely NEVER be convinced of such a realm EVEN if subjected to an experience similar to what you or I have experienced. By nature, a logical person will attempt to seek explanations that are measurable, verifiable, and that make sense. I would venture to say that many of us who DO believe in such supernatural and unexplainable entities are predisposed to acceptance and even desire of such reality.
Once you have had an experience like this, you will never see reality the same way again. Comments?
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Larni
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Message 185 of 189 (697045)
04-20-2013 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Phat
04-20-2013 12:44 PM


Re: WOO
I once had an experience where I lost all concept of my personal identity. I felt fully connected to every living thing on the planet.
It was terrifying and moving: the most powerful experience I have ever had.
Would this be a similar experience to the one you describe?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 186 of 189 (697064)
04-20-2013 10:27 PM
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04-20-2013 5:55 PM


Heightened states of mind
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Faith 
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Message 187 of 189 (697081)
04-21-2013 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by contracycle
12-10-2004 9:22 AM


Should it be possible to prove their existence?
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Phat
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Message 188 of 189 (697083)
04-21-2013 4:00 AM
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04-20-2013 5:55 PM


Re: WOO
Larni writes:
I once had an experience where I lost all concept of my personal identity. I felt fully connected to every living thing on the planet.
It was terrifying and moving: the most powerful experience I have ever had.
Would this be a similar experience to the one you describe?
That sounds more like what i experienced on one of my teenage hallucinogenic trips with acid or mushrooms...nowhere close to the spiritual experience. It was more of a fear and awe wrapped into one...yet i felt very sober minded otherwise...not high or trippy at all

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Theodoric
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Message 189 of 189 (697128)
04-21-2013 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Phat
04-21-2013 4:00 AM


Re: WOO
So you admit that it is all subjective?
Therefore, just a bunch of woo.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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