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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Sorry Rhavin, I tried to edit before you replied but you must have already started.
This was my original erroneous post . . .
quote: This is my corrected post . . .
quote: I am very sorry if I made you type extra.
Rahvin writes: It was your commentary that I found objectionable. Your comment is still based on incomplete data.
Rahvin writes: forgiving Nazis . . . I would/could NEVER forgive someone who was not sorry. Hitler, Cheney, Bush Jr., Pinochet, Thatcher . . . they are not sorry.
Rahvin writes: Dehumanization, dronester, the valuation of some lives as less than others, is the single largest step toward precisely what the Nazis did. Very silly comparison. Trying to compare me with Hitler's final solution? Rhavin, Rhavin, Rhavin. This is why Godwin's Rule exists. Not a very effective debate technique Rhavin.
Rahvin writes: If resources were truly limited, I would start with the necessities of providing food, water, clothing and shelter to everyone from children to the elderly to convicted criminals of all sorts, and rehabilitation would be much farther down the list. You are aware that every day thousands of children die of starvation/malnutrition? Yet Reagan, Bush Jr., Thatcher, Obama used/uses tax payer money for weapon production. We SHOULD all scorn the leaders for this. Yet, they get a ticker-tape parade when they die. And on top of that, I, I get compared to a frothing Hitler when I protest! [Dronester shakes his head at the surreal environment he inhabits].
Rahvin writes: I feel no inclination to accede to your absurd request. Yes, I realize for some people matching words and actions is a tough act. Seriously, you're a good writer Rhavin, your words are lovely. It's just a pity your words don't help the victims, or the future victims, at all.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
First of all, what a great thread! Thanks for ALL who responded. Especially Omnivorous, whose supportive responses were much more eloquent and reasoned than mine. I find very rare kinship in passion for truth and justice in today's society. To know there ARE other people of conscience out there makes all the barbs (including being hyperbolically called a nazi) I receive worthwhile.
AND, it also caused me to (gasp) re-assess my 'emotions' . . . I think I am actually more sad/angry that Thatcher died than happy. She was a revolting creature, surely a war criminal, surely one who made the world a worse place. But most affecting me, . . . she got away with murder. Literally. What is happy about that? Unlike her victims, she died an old lady without any consequences from her criminal actions. I am passionate about truth and justice. However, the multi-million-dollar ticker-tape parade of a funeral given to her will forever stamp a good spin on her life. I can't stand it. This is a second vicious attack on every victim she has done wrong. Let my lone voice scream for the silent victims oppressed from sociopaths that Thatcher enthusiastically supported like Pinochet in Chile, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, and many more places I do not know. To the victims who will forever remain silent in places that Thatcher gleefully sold weapons for profit for the 1%ers. I am sorry that my lone voice was not much comfort then, or that it is not much comfort for you now. I am sorry that my words from your POV were dismissed then, and especially are continued to be wholly dismissed now. Yes, I continue to fully believe any one of Thacther's victims is more valuable than a sociopath's like Thatcher's. By default. And I do continue to stand by my original wish . . . 'Rot in hell bitch!' Edited by dronester, : thatcher/bitch, tomato/tomahto
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Omnivorous writes: Whatever compassion I might owe her [Thatcher] as a fellow mortal, I owe the living more. An UNEQUAL sentiment. Yet Brilliant. Cheers!
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
RingO writes: Your interests give you the right to an opinion, nothing else. You can try to convince others of what their own best interests are but it's futile to tell them that their choice is wrong or their choice should "rot in hell". Futile. Agreed.
Drone writes: I never have persuaded a person from voting lesser evil. If you know a way, please enlighten me. RingO writes: You may have to run for office yourself. When Bush Jr, the immoral retard, wanted to invade Afghanistan/Iraq, he had about 90% support from americans. I was not part of that 90%. It would seem my stance on things are very different from most americans. I'd certainly be crushed in a landslide if I tried to run for office. Edited by dronester, : No reason given.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
RingO writes: And it shouldn't be blamed for people's everyday opinions, just the elections. It seems you think they are FULLY separate? When I travel, I often hear, it's not the american people who are bad, it is the american government. I cringe. Who is the government if not the people. Where does the government get its authority and morals from if not from the people? Democracy is only as good as the quality of people who bother to vote. Is it not POSSIBLE for a benevolent king to do better?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Just don't forget, besides getting better, democracies can also get worse . . .
We've seen democracy take a nose dive when Bush Jr. was re-elected*. I would have rather put a drugged-up monkey on a throne to rule us. But I repeat myself.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Now don't get me wrong, Rhavin, I think democracy is the best system too.
Why, I'd even suggest we try it in america too. (Less than half of the american population bother to vote. How good is democracy without participation? Can it even be called a democracy when only a minority act?)
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Rahvin writes: The point though, dronester, is that Bush was removed from power after only 8 years, and without requiring a bloody, violent revolution, and without needing to run the risk of his heir being just as bad or worse. Hmmm, . . . I would bet we will see at least another Bush in the White House before we die.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Perhaps you will find comfort that I would share your disdain in that.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Rahvin writes: The real problem in my eyes is money. The money of the 1%ers. We are in agreement.
Rahvin writes: But of course we're diverging pretty far off-topic here. Doesn't matter, I think the topic has been fully cooked.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Rahvin writes: Other problems inherent in many democracies are simply cultural, like the American distrust of "experts." Yes, but, particularly for america, maybe it is more a general disliking of any smart person, ESPECIALLY anyone who is smarter than themself. Bush Jr. was labeled by the public as "someone I can drink a beer with." A sizeable quantity of americans came to recognize themselves in Bush Jr. when Bush Jr. stated he made decisions from the gut or heart. Voters were VERY comfortable with that because it didn't require thinking, it just 'felt' right. Personally, I want someone operating a nuclear power plant to be A LOT smarter than me. I want someone operating/surgery on me to be in the top 1% of his class. And I want the leader of my country to be so brilliant he/she would be beyond my understanding. In essence, I would want a president who is so smart that he/she wouldn't want to spend any of their free time with me. Kind'a like wanting to date a supermodel.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
RingO writes: It doesn't matter how many people were dissatisfied. If only chocolate and strawberry are on the menu, it doesn't matter if most people want vanilla. Rahvin writes: That is simultaneously the most succinct and most accurate description of (at least American, which I realize isn't actually what you're talking about) politics I have seen in a long time. Most accurate? Errrm, . . . I disagree. There were many flavors of 'vanilla' on the menu in the past: You had low-fat-vanilla-Howard Dean, Vanilla-with-real-vanilla-beans-Nador, Vanilla-with-chocolate-chips-Kucinich, and finally French-Vanilla-Jill Stein. They were unfortunately withdrawn from the market because of poor sales.
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